KVR Audio

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Tue Jun 28, 2011 8:25 pm

Ingonator wrote:i could not see any "nails in the coffin"

Look a little further..........

Ingonator wrote: i don't think they will release a dongle-free full version.

Nails it shut for me.......

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Tue Jun 28, 2011 8:42 pm

Teksonik wrote:
Ingonator wrote:i could not see any "nails in the coffin"
Look a little further..........

Ingonator wrote: i don't think they will release a dongle-free full version.
Nails it shut for me.......

I have some bad news for you. Not all people are such "Dongle-haters" as you and Kriminal are...

BTW: Looks like a conspiracy of Synapse Audio beta testers here.
Oops, i was one one them too.

Ingo

Yatmandu · Post by **Yatmandu** » Tue Jun 28, 2011 8:47 pm

Well, I hate'em too, but since I need one for Cubase, the damage is already done!

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Tue Jun 28, 2011 8:50 pm

Yatmandu wrote:Well, I hate'em too, but since I need one for Cubase, the damage is already done!

I got two, one with Korg Legacy Collection Digital Edition and then with Arturia Jupiter 8V (both boxed versions).
Besides this i use it for the KLC Analog Edition 2007 (I have not updated to the new C/R versions), Steinberg WAvelab Elements 7, Xils Synthix, Xils 3, Xils PolyKB II, Waldorf PPg Wave 3.V, Waldorf Largo and Waldorf Lector (beta version).

Rob Papen recently changed to serial numbers so i updated to the latest versions of Predator and Blue because serial numbers are my favorite and easiest of the available copy protections which is quite obvious.
Anyway besides this opinion this does not hold me back from using "dongled" synths too.

Ingo

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Tue Jun 28, 2011 11:03 pm

Ingonator wrote: I have some bad news for you. Not all people are such "Dongle-haters" as you and Kriminal are...

It's not bad news for me. I could care less if people allow themselves to be suckered into paying extra to protect some company's software...I don't hate dongles I simply refuse to purchase software that requires them..........purely on principles alone.

Ingonator wrote:BTW: Looks like a conspiracy of Synapse Audio beta testers here.
Oops, i was one one them too. Ingo

Just a coincidence. The vast majority of the software I own is not from Synapse......and none of it requires a Dongle.

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Wed Jun 29, 2011 11:48 am

xavier wrote:- iLok and eLicenser choice (one dongle is enough)

No, One Dongle is too many...........One Dongle = One Lost Customer times an unknown number of other people who refuse to go Dongle. Unless you're giving Dongles away for free..........It's certainly a right of each company to choose their method of CP just as it's the right of each consumer not to do business with companies who require extra payment to protect their products.

Ingonator wrote: I tried to explain this several times, not only in this thread but some people seem to have a "philosophical" problem with dongles in general.

And what part of that concept is giving you problems? There is nothing for you to explain. I'm not paying extra even if it's 12 euros to protect a company's work when there are dozens upon dozens of plugins that do not require me to pay extra for their protection.

You can argue all day about the technical disadvantages or advantages to each method of CP but in the end I simply will not purchase products that require a Dongle and I'm not alone.
A company must weigh the number of lost sales from people who will not purchase Dongles against the added sales from warez kiddies and pirates who may be forced to purchase a product because there is no cracked version......... There has been no study to my knowledge that can prove each cracked version in use equals one lost sale........it's far more likely in my opinion that a warez user will simply move on if they can't get something for free..........

I have never and never will use cracks or warez of this you can be sure........just as you can be sure I will never purchase a Dongled product........on principles alone. Surely that concept is not difficult to grasp............

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Wed Jun 29, 2011 12:17 pm

Teksonik wrote:
xavier wrote:- iLok and eLicenser choice (one dongle is enough)
No, One Dongle is too many...........One Dongle = One Lost Customer times an unknown number of other people who refuse to go Dongle. Unless you're giving Dongles away for free..........It's certainly a right of each company to choose their method of CP just as it's the right of each consumer not to do business with companies who require extra payment to protect their products.

Ingonator wrote: I tried to explain this several times, not only in this thread but some people seem to have a "philosophical" problem with dongles in general.
And what part of that concept is giving you problems? There is nothing for you to explain. I'm not paying extra even if it's 12 euros to protect a company's work when there are dozens upon dozens of plugins that do not require me to pay extra for their protection.

You can argue all day about the technical disadvantages or advantages to each method of CP but in the end I simply will not purchase products that require a Dongle and I'm not alone.
A company must weigh the number of lost sales from people who will not purchase Dongles against the added sales from warez kiddies and pirates who may be forced to purchase a product because there is no cracked version......... There has been no study to my knowledge that can prove each cracked version in use equals one lost sale........it's far more likely in my opinion that a warez user will simply move on if they can't get something for free..........

I have never and never will use cracks or warez of this you can be sure........just as you can be sure I will never purchase a Dongled product........on principles alone. Surely that concept is not difficult to grasp............

I guess i got your (and Kriminal's) point about never using dongled products, i'm not that stupid. If you read my last post correctly this was a general comment (addressed to Xavier) and not related to a certain person.

BTW i mentioned several times that serial numbers are my favorite protection but i also understand companies that decide to go other ways.

I just ask you and others not to "derail" any thread which is related to a "dongled" product as it is mostly not really helpful and sometimes just tiring.
I really hope that your and my point concerning this is clear now.

Ingo

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Wed Jun 29, 2011 12:51 pm

Discussion about Method of Copy Protection is not "derailing" this thread.........Any company should want to know what potential customers think about their business decisions.......especially when those decisions make consumers no longer "potential customers"..............Besides your real main concern is that no one speak ill of this developer..........do NFR copies require a dongle?

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Wed Jun 29, 2011 12:57 pm

Teksonik wrote:Discussion about Method of Copy Protection is not "derailing" this thread.........Any company should want to know what potential customers think about their business decisions.......especially when those decisions make consumers no longer "potential customers"..............Besides your real main concern is that no one speak ill of this developer..........do NFR copies require a dongle?

I see you still don't get my point. It's OK if you want to discuss about Xils Lab and it's copy protection but then please open a new thread like e.g. "Xils Lab: Dongles or other copy protections", maybe including a poll with different choices.

Ingo

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Wed Jun 29, 2011 12:58 pm

Ingonator wrote:It's totally unfair.........turn this into a flame war against dongles again.

What's totally unfair is you trying to dictate what I can or can not post on an open forum.........Especially after you thought it was perfectly acceptable to Spam this product's group buy on a competing developer's closed Beta forum...............bit of hypocrisy there.....

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Wed Jun 29, 2011 1:00 pm

Ingonator wrote:
Teksonik wrote:Discussion about Method of Copy Protection is not "derailing" this thread.........Any company should want to know what potential customers think about their business decisions.......especially when those decisions make consumers no longer "potential customers"..............Besides your real main concern is that no one speak ill of this developer..........do NFR copies require a dongle?
I see you still don't get my point. It's OK if you want to discuss about Xils Lab and it's copy protection but then please open a new thread like e.g. "Xils Lab: Dongles or other copy protections", maybe including a poll with different choices.

Ingo

And I see you still don't get my point......I'll post what I want here. My discussion is with the developer's decision to use Dongles......not a discussion with one of his sound designers.........

Meffy · Post by **Meffy** » Wed Jun 29, 2011 1:12 pm

Teksonik wrote:I'll post what I want here. My discussion is with the developer's decision to use Dongles......

Since your discussion doesn't concern Krim's problems with his demo, it was a derailment of that thread. Now you have a thread all your own and XILS' dongles are its topic.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Wed Jun 29, 2011 1:16 pm

Hi Teksonik,

so finally this discussion was split into another thread.

You could keep going on with your rant in this thread but i'll be off from this thread now, promised!! I don't know what i should add anyway.

Ingo

Meffy · Post by **Meffy** » Wed Jun 29, 2011 1:28 pm

Ingonator wrote:My intention was for sure not that the other thread about a possible bug would be closed

Locked only while I was splitting it. It's unlocked now. Both threads are legitimate topics for discussion.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Wed Jun 29, 2011 1:34 pm

Meffy wrote:
Ingonator wrote:My intention was for sure not that the other thread about a possible bug would be closed
Locked only while I was splitting it. It's unlocked now. Both threads are legitimate topics for discussion.

Ah, i see. Many thanks for this, Meffy.

Anyway like mentioned i'll try to not comment on this thread again...
Also edited my post above.

Dongles and XILS synths (Split from Kriminal's demo trouble)