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tapper mike · Post by **tapper mike** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 8:19 pm

Music is not math. It's not some big unified gravity all in one theory that encompasses everything everywhere all at once. It is several Therums developed for certain situations that aren't applicable in others. But the problem with learn as the wind blows is you never learn anything. I love JanCivil. I find her music interesting and challenging. I don't agree with her approach because it doesn't work for me. One thing I do agree with her very strongly on is choosing a path of instruction and following it. What may be very relavent in one genre has no place in another. And if you are always seeking exceptions to the rule it moves you away from the goal of being a musician. When you pick a style stay in the style and focus on the style. Live and be at one with the style. Most importantly play through what your learning rather then judging it and moving on.

bugs · Post by **bugs** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:06 pm

Heinrich Heine wrote: "Nothing is more futile than theorizing about music."

I question this statement.

rbarata · Post by **rbarata** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 8:22 am

Music is not math. It's not some big unified gravity all in one theory that encompasses everything everywhere all at once. It is several Therums developed for certain situations that aren't applicable in others.

Yes, I agree with that.

But the problem with learn as the wind blows is you never learn anything.

Well, I don't agree with that. As long as you have the capability to relationate all the bits you've learned in order to form a choerent "big picture", this statement is simply not true.

I love JanCivil. I find her music interesting and challenging. I don't agree with her approach because it doesn't work for me. One thing I do agree with her very strongly on is choosing a path of instruction and following it. What may be very relavent in one genre has no place in another. And if you are always seeking exceptions to the rule it moves you away from the goal of being a musician. When you pick a style stay in the style and focus on the style. Live and be at one with the style. Most importantly play through what your learning rather then judging it and moving on.

I don't have nothing against JanCivil and I've never said nothing against him...about this let me correct one thing I wrote in a previous post. Instead of "There was an imply but in one of your posts. " I wanted to write There was an imply but not in any of your posts."

About counterpoint, I'm looking at it not only for my self improvement but also from the historic point of view. As I said before, many things in theory are understood if we look at them from the historic point of view, to understand why things are the way they are.
I'm doing the same with counterpoint, to understand it's evolution from the first species to the fifth species and then Bach, Beethoven, Mozart, etc. That's a good way to understand today's harmony and voice-leading, for example.

tapper mike · Post by **tapper mike** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 12:48 pm

rbarata wrote:
About counterpoint, I'm looking at it not only for my self improvement but also from the historic point of view. As I said before, many things in theory are understood if we look at them from the historic point of view, to understand why things are the way they are.
I'm doing the same with counterpoint, to understand it's evolution from the first species to the fifth species and then Bach, Beethoven, Mozart, etc. That's a good way to understand today's harmony and voice-leading, for example.

While I think it's a wonderful pursuit. I don't think it's a straight line. Part of the development process means rejecting certain aspects in order to accomodate new ideas.

rbarata · Post by **rbarata** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 1:25 pm

While I think it's a wonderful pursuit. I don't think it's a straight line. Part of the development process means rejecting certain aspects in order to accomodate new ideas.

I also think is a great motivation to learn a bit more of theory.
It's not a straight line, indeed. I think we can say, when looking back, that gets lost in time.

I find fascinating the study of counterpoint because somehow you need to forget things that today are considered true. You have to put yourself in the skin of a 16th century man. Basically, like you've said, it's necessary to reject some notions and work with a new set of concepts.
Obviously, when these concepts change, there's always some explanation behind it and that's exactly one of the things I want to learn, together with their practical application.

BTW, and since we are talking about counterpoint, I'm having some difficulties in the rules for melodic and harmonic leaps. I've been searching in several sites and each one of them seem to have different informations. So, what are those rules in first species?

tapper mike · Post by **tapper mike** » Fri Jul 29, 2011 9:37 pm

Honestly I'll be of no help there. Apparently there was quite a range of styles between Gregorian and medival period which is not well documented (pre romatic) As many were supressed by the church.

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