SAW Studio 5 released...

[LawrenceF]

I don't care one bit. I'm just the kind of guy that likes to share knowledge. Ask my students

E.

Nothing wrong with that. I was (like some others here I suppose) mostly lurking and reading and waiting for the screencast with some interest.

Thanks... if you still plan to do it that is.

P.S. I wouldn't take it personal. If a DAW exists that hasn't been bashed on KVR at some point in time, it must still be in beta.

[teomi]

No worries, I take nothing personal really. Although I am baffled at how people react sometime...


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I will do the screencast nonetheless.

[Dean Aka Nekro]

Hey Eitan, I was_not_asking for an appology, I merely put forward suggestions as to why you cling to it As i said YMMV and £0.02p

Really am grateful for the knowledge which you have bestowed upon me

LawerenceF - Now come on, Seriously? Comparing Dan Lavry's stunning AD/DA converters (plus mic pre-amp option for the blue series) to Bob Lentini's RML Labs software is laughable

[gpunk]

Price aside i have just read this thread to find out what it offers that other packages do not
Seems pretty much nothing in terms of features or usage
Obviously it's users like it and will keep using it any any price as shown by one in this thread
But i doubt it will garner many new users without a massive movement in its market placement.

[Hink]

No worries, I take nothing personal really. Although I am baffled at how people react sometime...


E.

I will do the screencast nonetheless.

well I am hoping for the video, I said more than once that if it works for you then that's great and I said I wasn't putting down the software...all I wanted to know was why so expensive and apparently the answer is that many people feel it is overpriced (maybe the video will show me something cool). Of course I just went through the same thing when Samp announced the upgrade price on the latest update. In that case Samplitude listened to the customers and made some concessions.

But if you are making music and happy then imo you didn't get ripped off...but before I can say you DID get ripped off I have to get passed my buying the first generation of AVOX in 05 for 500 dollars, I have got more use out of the ilok that came with it than I have the software. When I bought it the reaction to me was quite similar so you're not alone except at least you use the software.

I'm kind of funny that way most of the time, I look for value and if you do not believe me ask anyone on KvR how I feel about a certain guitar I feel is often way overpriced

The exception that proves the rule was my buying AVOX, but in my defense I had just won 10k on a scratch ticket and the debit card was smoking when I got done..all logic went out the door. I remember seeing the ticket, going to the bank after cashing it in and then the next thing I knew the ups dude was at the door and no word of lie he said "Damn John, did you hit the lottery?"

Just so you know, I didn't buy Samplitude at 1100 dollars either, I got lucky and got a one time crossgrade in 07 for 399 or I would never have bought Samp. Yeah the upgrades have been two versions at 250 dollars each and the latest at 360 seems a bit steep but in the end I'm still ahead of the game imo.

That's the thing about value, it's not only subjective and objective but it's also relative. I dont have a lot of money but I'm not poor...most of all, I love my studio and it suits my workflow...it's not better or worse than anyone's, it just suits me...I wish the same for you.

FWIW I made another expensive though not totally bad and I would not let go of it. I bought a Jackson Kelly with a mural on it fairly impulsively and I still call it my little red sports car. It wont be the last time either and I think that's all Dean was saying, we've all been there, there is no use crying over spilled milk but sometimes we all have to be a little humble. I dont think he (nor I for that matter) meant any offense.

[teomi]

I thought the same. But for some reason there are new users all the time..
Just go to the Sawstudiousers site. It keeps growing.

The coolness of SAW is not about the features per-se, it's about the workflow. This is why it's hard to understand because the only way to understand is to see it in action and/or try to use it for a while.

Will I pay a significant upgrade fee for it? Probably not.

Will I use it to mix and master my future projects? Probably yes.


It's true that it doesn't fit most people.


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[Hink]

Price aside i have just read this thread to find out what it offers that other packages do not
Seems pretty much nothing in terms of features or usage
Obviously it's users like it and will keep using it any any price as shown by one in this thread
But i doubt it will garner many new users without a massive movement in its market placement.

apparently it has free lifetime upgrades so yeah, if I was a user I would keep using it.

[Hink]

LawerenceF - Now come on, Seriously? Comparing Dan Lavry's stunning AD/DA converters (plus mic pre-amp option for the blue series) to Bob Lentini's RML Labs software is laughable

Dean, you put 20,000 mics on 4 different amps/speakers powered by more boosters and gain stages than a saturn 5...how could it matter to you in the end what converters you are using? Such gear sees you coming and hides under the counter

[LawrenceF]

LawerenceF - Now come on, Seriously? Comparing Dan Lavry's stunning AD/DA converters (plus mic pre-amp option for the blue series) to Bob Lentini's RML Labs software is laughable

The comparison was specific to both being boutique products that mostly only apply to a certain limited audience. I wasn't comparing the usefulness or quality of either, but the model. A comparably small but loyal user base for a more expensive product as opposed to say a larger mass market product with wider appeal and often a lower price.

That was the only comparison I was making. You won't see SAW or Lavry products on the shelf at Guitar Center. They're smaller kind of "boutique" shops. It's up to people buying either to decide the other stuff, the value, to them.

Not really my business.

People might really need to accept that value is probably the most highly subjective thing there is. What's worthless to one person is a treasure to another. People - at times - sound almost as if they're personally offended by the way other people choose to spend their money and/or a company selling something they think is relatively worthless or vastly overpriced is pressuring them to buy it... sending out the goons.

I don't really get it. If you think something is overpriced and not worth the money, don't buy it. It's really that simple.

I personally wouldn't spend $2k for SAW... but that's irrelevant. Somebody apparently is and why would I care? I'm not paying for it.

Did I miss Bob Lentini coming here and telling everyone they're stupid if they don't buy SAW? Maybe I did.

[Hink]

LawerenceF - Now come on, Seriously? Comparing Dan Lavry's stunning AD/DA converters (plus mic pre-amp option for the blue series) to Bob Lentini's RML Labs software is laughable

I don't really get it. If you think something is overpriced and not worth the money, don't buy it. It's really that simple.

but what if you're like me wonder if there is something that makes it overpriced that makes it worth it? I still do not know that SAW is overpriced or not worth it...like I said I just dont see it yet. At the same time how would we know without disccussion and debates? That's a point that gets out of control on KvR, disagreeing with someone is not wrong (and being wrong is good if you learn from it)...being offensive about it is wrong...but I think this debate was very educational...so it's not really that simple. I still want to know what I am missing

[LawrenceF]

but what if you're like me wonder if there is something that makes it overpriced that makes it worth it? I still do not know that SAW is overpriced or not worth it...like I said I just dont see it yet.

I hear you. I don't see it either to be honest... the value against that list price. But I don't really have to get it or see it since I have no interest in owning it anyway.

If you do have it on your actual radar to maybe buy for $2k if you do "see it", get the demo and join the forum I guess.

Anyway, it seemed that everyone was ganging up on the guy so I kinda came to his defense a little. Even though I don't "get it" either, the price. But again, it's his money, not mine so... mostly irrelevant. Me debating you about how you spend your own money isn't really a debate, it's kind of me making a personal judgment about you, kind of suggesting that you're not too bright.

Not really all that polite.

[Hink]

but what if you're like me wonder if there is something that makes it overpriced that makes it worth it? I still do not know that SAW is overpriced or not worth it...like I said I just dont see it yet.

I hear you. I don't see it either to be honest... the value against that list price. But I don't really have to get it or see it since I have no interest in owning it anyway.

If you do have it on your actual radar to maybe buy for $2k if you do "see it", get the demo and join the forum I guess.

I dont need to have it on my radar, I do not see myself wanting to buy it nor needing it...that has nothing to do with my wanting to understand or having interest in it. One thing for a fact over the years I have found is that when I see a feature I didn't know about discussed about another piece of software (or hardware/instruments) I look to what I have and often learn something new about my gear.


edit because you did while I was posting: I never debated him about how he spent his money, I dont even know that he payed 2k for it...I asked what made it worth 2K

[LawrenceF]

edit because you did while I was posting: I never debated him about how he spent his money, I dont even know that he payed 2k for it...I asked what made it worth 2K

Read back a bit through some of his posts that (I suppose) maybe you didn't read. He talked about some (if not all) of that... within the limited confines of trying to explain to someone else why you like something, not necessarily to suggest that they will (or should) feel exactly the same way about that.

I think he said what he paid for it and that he's gotten free updates for 10 years or something like that, and I also think he talked about some reasons why he chooses to keep working in it. Not that his reasons should be the end all for the rest of the planet of course, but he can only speak for himself obviously.

Again, I don't personally see $2k their either but I just got mildly annoyed when some people suggested he got "fleeced" and (IIRC) asked him to admit it. I keep forgetting that this is the Internet and not the real world where perfect strangers don't really do that to each other. They might think it, sure, but they rarely actually say it to a perfect stranger.

"Hey dude that I don't know personally from Adam. That car you bought that you really like? You got robbed man! It's crap. Sucker! Ha, ha..."

Yeah ... that happens every day in real world "conversations".

Peace Hink. Off to bed with me. Thanks man... best regards to ya. I hope you get the answers you're seeking.

[Mattox]

Why isn't it worth 2K?

If you're a professional then paying 2k for your tools is nothing. I pay crazy amount for my MSDN subscription but it makes it's money back 100 fold.

You're lucky that in the music software scene there is so much competition that people are basically giving away their software and hoping that they will get enough customers to pay the bills.

If the developer thinks he software is work $2k and people are buying it then his price justification is correct.

[ghettosynth]

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