williamk of wusik is spamming again.

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fmr wrote:Funny. This thread started with an accusation based only in assumptions and purely circunstancional evidences. No evidence that WilliamK is the author of the mail or is in any way involced in it (I'm not saying he isn't, just that there is no strong evdence).
Actually, this thread started with an accusation based on certain correspondences between facts and a known precedent.

The known fact are simple. The email came from a website william runs. It was unsolicited email.

End of story.

A website william is responsible for spammed me and others. No other 'evidence' is required.

But here's some other information.

The other company involved in that website are not a company Ive dealt with. They wouldnt have my name and two of my email addresses. And they dont run the site itself.

wusik has my name, and is one of only half a dozen companies Ive dealt with who might have both of those email addresses and my name.

The email went to other current and former customers of Wusik. That would rule out a few of those other companies too.

The only 'circumstantial' thing I mentioned is that William has spammed me in the past (by name, to both those email addresses), and that he has repeatedly said he has removed me from his mailing list database without actually ding so. But whilst that is circumstantial, it provides historical context.

Its interesting that you can't even be consistent between saying there's 'no' evidence' and that its 'circumstantial', but that you refuse to actually contribute something that you would consider 'evidence' enough. Exactly what would be proof 'enough' for you? Are you expecting me to confiscate his computer records or something?
Several Wusik users wrote here that they didn't receive any e-mail. I am a user myself, and I too didn't receive any e-mail.
That would have no causal relationship to whether or not the current mailing list, or a prior copy of it, was used, though. No-one has claimed that the entire current list was used. Only that william has sent unsolicted email.
I have no relation whatsoever with Wusik, but I think this rage (even hate) against some people here is something that starts worrying.
what 'rage' or 'hate' ??

is that one of those accusations based on purely circumstantial evidence then?
Sure he made some moves in the past that didn't please me either, and I told him by e-mail, personally. However, the present case seems not to be one of those.
actually it 'seems' to be from where I am. And I dont think your assertion miraculously trumps mine.
William didn't answer, and I think it's a clever attitude.
William hasnt publically acknowledged the issue, refuted resonsibility, nor explained where the list of names came from, and that's suspicious as all hell.
Dogs bark, but the caravan goes on. Now, either you complainers come with a strong evidence of his culpability or simply delete the so called spams. The DELETE key is on you keyboard for a reason.
Its not 'so called spam', it is actually spam. Im not sure why you're trying to pretend that unsolicted email might not be unsolicited email, but that's what it is. Its a pretty odd stance to take though, notwithstanding your arrogance in telling people what to do and how to react.
An idiot on Set Theory:
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."

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fmr wrote:The DELETE key is on you keyboard for a reason.
The 'unsubscribe' link in emails is also there for a reason.

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fmr wrote:So, I should believe in "the folk at ruggedcircuits" because...?
(1) they wouldnt have my name and two of my email addresses in the first place
(2) they didnt design the hardware or software that the website sells, they only fabricate the hardware
(3) they dont run the website
(4) they dont have any previous 'form' of spamming me.

good enough for me.

obviously you're now trying to imply they're the guilty party for some reason. is that an admission that someone spammed us, because a post ago you were denying that had happened too?
Who is he, BTW? What's his position in the company?
Why? What would that change?
And what kind of company is this that has his own website (the company's public image) runned by a foreigner, and declares he's not responsible for what's happening on behalf of his own company?
i guess you've been too busy denying everything to actually look at the beat707 website in the first place.

Here's the clue: William designed hardware and software for an arduino shield. He runs the beat707 website, and he owns the domain name. The design and code are open souce. ruggedcircuits are a hardware manufacturer who fabricate the shields.

So the 'company' beat707 is actually wusik. Who is indeed declaring he's not responsible for what's happening on behalf of his own company?
Are these guys nuts? Or are they joking?
beat707 seem to be, yes.
An idiot on Set Theory:
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."

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whyterabbyt wrote:That would have no causal relationship to whether or not the current mailing list, or a prior copy of it, was used, though. No-one has claimed that the entire current list was used. Only that william has sent unsolicted email.
This is exactly what you can't say, unless you have his signature, or an IP address that you can prove is from him. You can only say you suspect he is behind the e-mail, nothing else.
OTOH I may say that you are conducting a campaign to hurt him and his business. It is public you don't like him (you may have your reasons, but that's nothing to do with the current case), and the tile of the thread is an evidence of your prejudice.
Your strongest evidence is the statement of "the folk at ruggedcircuits" (lets call him the secret testemony). Other than that, you just have some circumstances, and all your case is based on that.
If that "folk" tells the truth, and wants to be taken seriously, than he has to announce that, effective immediately, he ceases all operations with Wusik and WilliamK.
Fernando (FMR)

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fmr wrote:OTOH I may say that you are conducting a campaign to hurt him and his business.
Nah, William does a good enough job hurting his business by spamming countless people on this thread who asked to be deleted from ALL future mailings. ;)
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whyterabbyt wrote:
fmr wrote:So, I should believe in "the folk at ruggedcircuits" because...?
(1) they wouldnt have my name and two of my email addresses in the first place
You can't prove that.
whyterabbyt wrote:(2) they didnt design the hardware or software that the website sells, they only fabricate the hardware
That proves nothing.
whyterabbyt wrote:(3) they dont run the website
You can't prove that, you just have the word of that "folk".
whyterabbyt wrote:(4) they dont have any previous 'form' of spamming me.
Again, you can't prove that.
whyterabbyt wrote:
fmr wrote:
fmr wrote:
Who is he, BTW? What's his position in the company?
Why? What would that change?
To me, a lot. If he his the manager, director, or something like that, he may speak on behalf of the company. Otherwise, he may not, and may simply ignore what's going on.
Fernando (FMR)

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debra1rlo wrote:
fmr wrote:OTOH I may say that you are conducting a campaign to hurt him and his business.
Nah, William does a good enough job hurting his business by spamming countless people on this thread who asked to be deleted from ALL future mailings. ;)
Unfortunaley, I have to agree with you :?
Fernando (FMR)

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robojam wrote:
fmr wrote:The DELETE key is on you keyboard for a reason.
The 'unsubscribe' link in emails is also there for a reason.
Indeed, but that's not what is in discussion right now. He is not receiving an e-mail from some of the sources he asked to unsubscribe, but from a new one.
If the OP manages to prove "beyond reasonable doubt" that WilliamK is responsabile for the spam, he is entitled to ask for a repair. Otherwise, he is just running a difamation campaing, and hurting the accused.
That's what I am trying to establish here. It's dead easy to run a difamation campaign nowadays, using the Internet and social networks, and the accused is always the weakest part.
Fernando (FMR)

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fmr wrote:Funny. This thread started with an accusation based only in assumptions and purely circunstancional evidences. No evidence that WilliamK is the author of the mail or is in any way involced in it (I'm not saying he isn't, just that there is no strong evdence).
However, rather than enter the thread with nothing more than counter-accusations based only on assumptions and not even anything as good as circunstancional(sic) evidence, you could just use a whois tool yourself to see if there is a relationship between the two sites.

Here, I'll save you the effort, you're probably too busy writing your next hurried reply to whyterabbyt:

http://whois.domaintools.com/beat707.com

http://whois.domaintools.com/wusik.com

Note the registrant in BOTH cases - Guilherme Kalfelz

Or is that just a complete coincidence?

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Dear Users,

Our sincerest apology for the inconvenience for the mistakenly sent emails.

We shall resolve this ASAP and will inform you within 24 hours what went wrong and what steps will be taken to prevent this from happening again.

Cheers, WilliamK and MoniKe

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robojam, THIS is what I call a "strong evidence". Defense rests his case now.
But I would like to see, in the future, accusatio threads to start with evidences like this one, and not mere accusations. As I said, I have no relation with Wusik, and I took the defnse hare because noone wasd doing it, and I was feeling bad to see this public lynching without any contradiction. No personal offense intended
Fernando (FMR)

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fandango wrote:Yeah, I got one today as well. Email subject "Great MIDI Sequencer".
+1 got it on 7/28/11 8:19 am

I am supposed to be unsubscribed from wusik as well, and i'm an ex customer.

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WilliamK wrote:Dear Users,

Our sincerest apology for the inconvenience for the mistakenly sent emails.

We shall resolve this ASAP and will inform you within 24 hours what went wrong and what steps will be taken to prevent this from happening again.

Cheers, WilliamK and MoniKe
proof enough fmr?
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robojam wrote:
http://whois.domaintools.com/beat707.com

http://whois.domaintools.com/wusik.com

Note the registrant in BOTH cases - Guilherme Kalfelz

Or is that just a complete coincidence?
Since whyterabbyt stated that the ruggedcircuits folks said Wusik was running the beat707 website I was just looking that up and noticed that interesting fact too :)

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