KVR Audio

cosmosis · Post by **cosmosis** » Fri Jul 29, 2011 9:06 pm

Here's two instruments so maybe you guys can see how it's going and let me know. Hopefully it's OK to post since there's links to the samples already posted?

http://www.mediafire.com/?umfrzhk950so7lo

Moved the filter after the bit-crusher (GUI and chain) and added a transpose knob with a 2 octave range. I think that's all, except maybe making frames in the skin to separate sections.

Well, I'm taking a break now

DubFox · Post by **DubFox** » Fri Jul 29, 2011 9:21 pm

Sounds good bro.

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cosmosis · Post by **cosmosis** » Fri Jul 29, 2011 9:23 pm

Me too!

I always saw Kontakt as a modern Fairlight of sorts

Lotuzia · Post by **Lotuzia** » Fri Jul 29, 2011 9:35 pm

Aint the samples copyrighted ?

Just asking ...

jsp1979 · Post by **jsp1979** » Fri Jul 29, 2011 9:39 pm

Lotuzia wrote:Aint the samples copyrighted ?

Just asking ...

We've already had six pages of discussion on the topic.

cosmosis · Post by **cosmosis** » Fri Jul 29, 2011 9:55 pm

I'm still waiting to see if Fairlight responds to my email. Today I decided to contact the legend himself, Peter Vogel

But even if I have to keep this to myself (really hope not) this project will go forward. I keep updating because I don't have many geek friends in 'real life' that might enjoy this.

Lotuzia · Post by **Lotuzia** » Fri Jul 29, 2011 9:57 pm

cosmosis wrote:I'm still waiting to see if Fairlight responds to my email. Today I decided to contact the legend himself, Peter Vogel

THanks for the answer Cosmosis.

ANd yes I didnt read the 6 pages sorry

DubFox · Post by **DubFox** » Fri Jul 29, 2011 10:27 pm

So tell me if I've got this right:

the CMI iix samples used are freely available and hosted by fairlightus.com
although the guy LBN points out that the samples Cosmo is using, are by another guy who used those freely available samples and recorded them from the output of his fairlight... so that confuses things... ( even if peter vogel permits the use of the raw CMI iix samples, shouldn't also the guy who authored/uploaded the bank cosmo is using ?

not sure if that bank is copyprotected any more ? )

then, the guy who sells the authorized refill/kontakt commercial bank has said that only the CMI III samples are 'not okay' to use as Fairlight have plans for them.
for his bank he has recorded the CMI iix samples himself from a borrowed fairlight... so he has permission plus authored the samples..

For simplicity sake, If I were cosmo and I wanted to carry on with this (public) project i'd just release the .NKI files and let the users find & apply the samples themselves, thus removing himself from any responsibility. I don't believe he needs permission to share kontakt patches, sans samples, that he has authored himself.

correct me if I'm wrong...

LBN · Post by **LBN** » Sat Jul 30, 2011 4:00 am

DubFox wrote: the CMI iix samples used are freely available and hosted by fairlightus.com
although the guy LBN points out that the samples Cosmo is using, are by another guy who used those freely available samples and recorded them from the output of his fairlight

The samples hosted on fairlightus.com are the raw original disk images of the Fairlight CMI IIx. You can even find disk images for the operating system there.

Cosmosis is working with samples from the Digital Domain/ProRec sample CD. This sample CD features recordings made through the output of a Fairlight CMI IIx. So this is closer to the sound people desire because it has gone through the cards, filters, etc. In this thread the author of that sample CD claims he received permission at the time from Fairlight ESP (Electric Sound and Picture) which was started in 1989 by Kim Ryrie.

I wonder who truly owns the copyright to the old libraries. It is surely a muddied prospect, especially given the fact that the libraries contain probably-uncleared copyrighted material themselves. From what I understand Fairlight went tits-up a couple of times and the intellectual property changed hands. The Fairlight Instruments started by Peter Vogel in 2009 is not directly related to the FairlightAU company that makes professional audio/video equipment.

It's ironic that there's so much question surrounding sounds from the instrument that started the mess in the first place.

DubFox · Post by **DubFox** » Sat Jul 30, 2011 4:25 am

LBN wrote: It's ironic that there's so much question surrounding sounds from the instrument that started the mess in the first place.

Very True,
thanks again for the heads up on the samples though (output & raw) - I've been putting my own library together too

Though the commercial reason re-fill is probably a must-have for Reason owners, otherwise I'm happy to roll my own.

LBN · Post by **LBN** » Sat Jul 30, 2011 3:52 pm

Bitley's refill is the best place to go if you want a fairly complete and ready-to-go Fairlight library in one place and you own Reason. He also includes a lot of other non-Fairlight vintage-style sounds in the refill and has expanded it for free several times. I think the last one I downloaded weighed in at 1.7 GB and included some new Emulator III samples. I hope he completes the conversion to Kontakt format. That would be much more convenient for me. Pretty much the only time I boot Reason these days is to use the Fairlight library.

cosmosis · Post by **cosmosis** » Sat Jul 30, 2011 11:51 pm

I doubt portamento was a hugely popular feature in the FL, but I decided to add it since that can't be done with VST effects. That's a slightly modded NI script that came with mono and unison too, so why not just leave it there. I made a separate page to leave it out of the way.

All instruments are very much playable, but the few things to be done could take days. I'd appreciate if a talented individual would make a skin for me. I don't mind the green, but I'm sure someone could come up with something much better. Size is 633x270, TGA format.

cosmosis · Post by **cosmosis** » Sun Jul 31, 2011 8:41 pm

For whatever's worth the project is completed. Thanks to the heaven-sent tinytask, the remainder took hours instead of days

165 MB zipped, 471 MB uncompressed, 502 NKIs.

Now the question is what to do now.

I received no response from Fairlight (2 emails). Correct me if I'm wrong, but it doesn't seem to me they want to protect these sounds too much. All they had to do is say "NO" and that would settle the matter, not to mention that they themselves freely share the complete disks, including samples, sounds and OS. Also these are not the floppies itself, but the output through a Fairlight, if it matters. This leads to the next issue which is what troubles me the most:

These sounds were produced by someone with good intentions. He did exceptional work and distributed without charge. What am I to do? These IMO are the best (at least freely attainable) FL sounds out there. They have been shared and re-shared, but I don't know his opinion on what's allowed to do with them. I also tried to contact him, but that's not looking good. What has been done here is much more than slapping the files on a CD and sticking a price-tag.

AFAIK, I am the only one who took (all of them) these loose sounds and converted them to a format that allows thorough and complete audition with a single click. That has to count for something I think.

I please ask you guys not to quote single sentences without reading the whole post. I'm open to opinions and suggestions. I'm also doing my best to be honest and not to be too much a salesperson. I am at heart a hobbyist and fan of this sort of thing.

LBN · Post by **LBN** » Sun Jul 31, 2011 9:15 pm

cosmosis wrote:I please ask you guys not to quote single sentences without reading the whole post.

If you had put this at the beginning instead of the end it would have been easier to do.

But seriously, I suppose it depends on your intentions. If you are wanting to monetize this is would be good to have approval from someone with some kind of authority to grant it. Therein lies the problem. Do you get permission from the guy who made the sample CD from which these samples were taken? Do you get the permission from Peter Vogel? Do you get the permission from Kim Ryrie? Do you get the permission from FairlightAU? Who owns the copyright to these sounds? It may be the case that neither of the founders of Fairlight own the copyright as the intellectual property of the company may have been sold off at some point in bankruptcy.

If you intend to "share" them then it's your call. The samples are freely available on the net from many locations. You've done a lot of work to adapt them to a particular format so you could really say you're distributing the sample scripting data and not the samples themselves. I don't know if you're distributing them in Kontakt monolithic format or as linked samples. If it's the latter then it would be possible to distribute the patches without the samples themselves and then you could let others download and put the samples in the correct directories. That would at least release you from any liability of distributing possibly copyrighted material.

dalor · Post by **dalor** » Sun Jul 31, 2011 9:45 pm

Since this cool project won't cause commercial harm for anyone after 30 years (?) of it's original release, I see this project as "historic preservation" and therefore should be given public access. It should contain original credits and bit of background info though, story of patches and samples

Interest in Fairlight for Kontakt? (completed)