ImpOSCar2 Is Actually Here (Mac And PC), No Really, It Is

[C.Bennett]

As far as I know, Colin's situation was sorted the next morning, when Chris started work again.

It's always a shame when people post about their problems, but not about them being solved.

Just email Chris and he will sort out any such problems.

Guity as charged. Apologies. Chris was great in sorting this out the following day for me and I got so caught up with my new toy that I forgot to come back over here and let everyone know it got fixed. I also edited my original post.

Thanks,
Colin

[JonHodgson]

Ah, bit more experimentation proves that the conversion only works with banks of presets. This will be fine where I have the original banks, but my own presets are stored as individual aupreset files, so not sure what to do about those.

If you can send me the files I'll look into it, something sounds a bit screwy, you should be getting more logical patch names for a start.

I will point out that in imp1 there isn't actually any such thing as an individual preset aupreset, they store the whole state of the instrument, which includes both the loaded bank and the current preset.

The situation with imp2 is different, patches are individual

[mcnoone]

Ah, bit more experimentation proves that the conversion only works with banks of presets. This will be fine where I have the original banks, but my own presets are stored as individual aupreset files, so not sure what to do about those.

If you can send me the files I'll look into it, something sounds a bit screwy, you should be getting more logical patch names for a start.

I will point out that in imp1 there isn't actually any such thing as an individual preset aupreset, they store the whole state of the instrument, which includes both the loaded bank and the current preset.

The situation with imp2 is different, patches are individual

This is the same probably, I had.
It's simple though. The au presets you are trying to convert were not originally saved from clicking the save button within impOscar1.
They were saved as au from using your daws save feature.
Correct?
If so, of course they will not convert.
To fix, simply load the au preset into impOSCar1 and then save them using the save button from imp1 into a new folder, then import that one, by moving that newly saved imp1 presets folder into your imp2 presets folder.
They will then appear in your imp2 preset window.
You must then update them within the imp2 preset window ui, by clicking that update icon on the right of the folders name, or preset.
impOSCar2 will not convert au presets saved in other ways, except through the impOSCar1 save button.

[Echoes in the Attic]

It's simple though. The au presets you are trying to convert were not originally saved from clicking the save button within impOscar1.
They were saved as au from using your daws save feature.
Correct?

I thought I remember Jon saying it works with au's saved in Logic but not other DAWs like Ableton Live. ?

[mcnoone]

[mcnoone]

I thought I remember Jon saying it works with au's saved in Logic but not other DAWs like Ableton Live. ?

To load a preset from imp1 to imp2, it has to be converted.
If it was saved through any daws save feature, it won't work.
I tried it in Garageband, which has very similar plugin preset handling to Logic. It won't import correctly into imp2 unless I first use the imp1 save button, and move those newly saved ones to the imp2 preset folder, then press the convert icon, through the imp2 preset window.

[bwmodular]

Thanks for the explanation mcnoone - that sounds like the problem I'm having. I think I can probably find the original banks for most of the Imp1 presets I want to convert, so should just have to do the save in Imp1 process for my own presets. Thanks for tip. Ben

[Foxis]

Hi,

I actually have a bit of an annoying problem with imp2 and the touch digital controller. It seems like automating synth parameters in logic doesn't work when using the controller. Turning the guy knobs with the mouse creates automaion data, but using the controller in latch or touch mode does nothing. Sure, I can record the midi cc data, but that is a quite annoying workaround as separating the control data from the note data requires separate tracks etc.

I sent Dave a mail about this but I guess he is on vacation. I emailed Kent at touch as well, but it would seem that this must be a software problem.

Any help, tips would be most welome!

Cheers,
Dan

[JonHodgson]

Hi,

I actually have a bit of an annoying problem with imp2 and the touch digital controller. It seems like automating synth parameters in logic doesn't work when using the controller. Turning the guy knobs with the mouse creates automaion data, but using the controller in latch or touch mode does nothing. Sure, I can record the midi cc data, but that is a quite annoying workaround as separating the control data from the note data requires separate tracks etc.

I sent Dave a mail about this but I guess he is on vacation. I emailed Kent at touch as well, but it would seem that this must be a software problem.

Any help, tips would be most welome!

Cheers,
Dan

The imp 2 doesn't send out automation data on receipt of MIDI, the controller does all its communication via MIDI, so what you're trying to do won't work.

Getting it to send out automation data at block level accuracy (the best that Vst 2 can manage) wouldn't be so difficult, though I'm not sure if it's desirable... I'd have to think about the repercussions and it's the first I've personally heard anyone ask for this in the history of the imp.

Getting it to send out sample accurate automation, if it's even possible in AU (long time since I looked at that aspect) would be rather more work.

[Foxis]

Hi,

I actually have a bit of an annoying problem with imp2 and the touch digital controller. It seems like automating synth parameters in logic doesn't work when using the controller. Turning the guy knobs with the mouse creates automaion data, but using the controller in latch or touch mode does nothing. Sure, I can record the midi cc data, but that is a quite annoying workaround as separating the control data from the note data requires separate tracks etc.

I sent Dave a mail about this but I guess he is on vacation. I emailed Kent at touch as well, but it would seem that this must be a software problem.

Any help, tips would be most welome!

Cheers,
Dan

The imp 2 doesn't send out automation data on receipt of MIDI, the controller does all its communication via MIDI, so what you're trying to do won't work.

Getting it to send out automation data at block level accuracy (the best that Vst 2 can manage) wouldn't be so difficult, though I'm not sure if it's desirable... I'd have to think about the repercussions and it's the first I've personally heard anyone ask for this in the history of the imp.

Getting it to send out sample accurate automation, if it's even possible in AU (long time since I looked at that aspect) would be rather more work.

Hi Jon,

Thanks for the reply!
I would think that most controller owners would want the ability to automate easily using the controller. So my cheeky reply would be: it *should* write automation data on midi receipt, or at least have the option to do it. Regarding the accuracy, I have no real knowledge of how this works with Au plugins or what the problems may be, but as the ignorant user I am I know that something would be better than nothing,

What do you think, would you consider adding this feature?
Cheers,
Dan

[JonHodgson]

Hi,

I actually have a bit of an annoying problem with imp2 and the touch digital controller. It seems like automating synth parameters in logic doesn't work when using the controller. Turning the guy knobs with the mouse creates automaion data, but using the controller in latch or touch mode does nothing. Sure, I can record the midi cc data, but that is a quite annoying workaround as separating the control data from the note data requires separate tracks etc.

I sent Dave a mail about this but I guess he is on vacation. I emailed Kent at touch as well, but it would seem that this must be a software problem.

Any help, tips would be most welome!

Cheers,
Dan

The imp 2 doesn't send out automation data on receipt of MIDI, the controller does all its communication via MIDI, so what you're trying to do won't work.

Getting it to send out automation data at block level accuracy (the best that Vst 2 can manage) wouldn't be so difficult, though I'm not sure if it's desirable... I'd have to think about the repercussions and it's the first I've personally heard anyone ask for this in the history of the imp.

Getting it to send out sample accurate automation, if it's even possible in AU (long time since I looked at that aspect) would be rather more work.

Hi Jon,

Thanks for the reply!
I would think that most controller owners would want the ability to automate easily using the controller. So my cheeky reply would be: it *should* write automation data on midi receipt, or at least have the option to do it. Regarding the accuracy, I have no real knowledge of how this works with Au plugins or what the problems may be, but as the ignorant user I am I know that something would be better than nothing,

What do you think, would you consider adding this feature?
Cheers,
Dan

It's certainly something I'll consider, though I can't promise what the result of that consideration would be. Pitfalls and limitations have to be considered, and like I said, despite the fact that people have been using controllers with impOSCar for years, this is the first I've heard anyone ask for this. Nor can I say how quickly it would happen. If I were to implement all the things already requested by others or thought of by me as nice to have features I'd be on it for months, and that's not counting bug fixing, so things have to be prioritized.

Meanwhile Dave is the Logic guru in GForce, so when he gets back perhaps he can help you out on the MIDI front to your satisfaction.

[AdmiralQuality]

Hi,

I actually have a bit of an annoying problem with imp2 and the touch digital controller. It seems like automating synth parameters in logic doesn't work when using the controller. Turning the guy knobs with the mouse creates automaion data, but using the controller in latch or touch mode does nothing. Sure, I can record the midi cc data, but that is a quite annoying workaround as separating the control data from the note data requires separate tracks etc.

I sent Dave a mail about this but I guess he is on vacation. I emailed Kent at touch as well, but it would seem that this must be a software problem.

Any help, tips would be most welome!

Cheers,
Dan

The imp 2 doesn't send out automation data on receipt of MIDI, the controller does all its communication via MIDI, so what you're trying to do won't work.

Getting it to send out automation data at block level accuracy (the best that Vst 2 can manage) wouldn't be so difficult, though I'm not sure if it's desirable... I'd have to think about the repercussions and it's the first I've personally heard anyone ask for this in the history of the imp.

Getting it to send out sample accurate automation, if it's even possible in AU (long time since I looked at that aspect) would be rather more work.

Hi Jon,

Thanks for the reply!
I would think that most controller owners would want the ability to automate easily using the controller. So my cheeky reply would be: it *should* write automation data on midi receipt, or at least have the option to do it. Regarding the accuracy, I have no real knowledge of how this works with Au plugins or what the problems may be, but as the ignorant user I am I know that something would be better than nothing,

What do you think, would you consider adding this feature?
Cheers,
Dan

It's certainly something I'll consider, though I can't promise what the result of that consideration would be. Pitfalls and limitations have to be considered, and like I said, despite the fact that people have been using controllers with impOSCar for years, this is the first I've heard anyone ask for this. Nor can I say how quickly it would happen. If I were to implement all the things already requested by others or thought of by me as nice to have features I'd be on it for months, and that's not counting bug fixing, so things have to be prioritized.

Meanwhile Dave is the Logic guru in GForce, so when he gets back perhaps he can help you out on the MIDI front to your satisfaction.

I tried this early on in Poly-Ana but I ended up disabling it. It works, but you just end up making a potential conflict between MIDI and automation. There's no advantage to doing this, the MIDI *IS* the automation. You record MIDI from a controller OR you record automation from the GUI editor.

So any controller can already "automate easily", because your sequencer records and plays back the MIDI it sent, just like it's being sent for the first time.

Implementing this is of course as easy as replacing your setParameter call(s) in processEvents with setParameterAutomated. But again, I wouldn't recommend it.

[Echoes in the Attic]

You record MIDI from a controller OR you record automation from the GUI editor.

Or you recored automation from controllers that actually map by automation IDs rather than midi. This is a huge advantage of Novation automap or Kore. What you move with your physical controller gets recorded as automation data rather than midi. But of course it has the disadvantage of needing to be wrapped in some (automap wrapped plug-ins or loaded with kore). Imposcar 2 and poly-ana are actually two of the best synths out there for mapping by automation because every single control is automatable. It's too bad the imposcar controller couldn't map by automation rather than midi though.

[musikmachine]

May i ask Mr Hodgson, is it likely we'll see the PC version this year?

[lagavulin16]

109 Euro to upgrade? Thanks but I'll pass.

It is €59 if you own the original (and did not buy imp1 at the crazy €39 sale).

I got mine as NFR, and can't upgrade. Rats..

I have no idea why anyone would buy software from companies with policies like this.