Your next amp

[Dean Aka Nekro]

Oh sack it i will post it anyway:

http://www.mediafire.com/?tc03zdm3hdw

Now where's the rest of the CD ?
I like it a lot , though in your eyes it might be as close to a Chris Isaak ballad as you'll ever get ...

Lol,
susiwong

Now that is good tone...Chris Isaack or not.

I missed this but I just listened to it, I really liked the heavier parts...what's the breakdown there?

Hey John this is the deal with that track:

Spelling is correct hibidy, An Egnater will be the most pricey out of the three and offer the most options wise depending on which one you go for/try, The Jet City Amps sound quite alot darker than a Soldano but i quite like them for that reason as i personally don't like bright sounding amps but they do not sound muddy either and Blackstar HT range sound different than Egnators and Jet Citys. I can post a demo track of the Blackstar HT-5H using its speaker emulated output if you like? Oh sack it i will post it anyway:

http://www.mediafire.com/?tc03zdm3hdw

The smaller crunchy parts are using the 1x12" emulated output (on the overdrive channel with the gain set low, ISF control fully clockwise for 'Vox/Classic Marshall' type mid-range, Tone Stack would of been Bass 5, Middle Full, Treble 4/5) Whilst the otpher parts are using the 4x12" emulated ouput (Its switchable) on the Overdrive channel again but gain/drive higher, ISF control fully counter-clockwise for 'Mesa/Modern' type mid-range, Tone Stack would of been Bass Full, Middle Full & Treble 3/4. Also it (The HT-5H) has a series FX Loop so its totally possible/easy to use the Send as a line in then use your own choice of ITB modelled Mic'd Cab, Mic'd Cab IR/IRs or a combination of both...etc. The Egnator and Jet City small amp heads which are comparable also have FX Loop and IIRC Egnator include a line out for the pre-amp so that frees the FX Loop for regular use The HT-5 does not have to be hooked up to a speaker cabinet/cabinets IE see a load to use it without it dying. Anyway the track i did not dither properly at the fade out so there is annoying quantize noise but that was/is my fault. Bass is a DI'd Yammy and Drums are SD2 along with my own multi-sample library that are loaded into an Ableton Drumrack being triggered by SD2. The guitar was the usual Jackson with EMG85, Boss NS-2 for when the OD pedal is switched in, Not to shut the amp up as its very quiet but the pedal is not. I am not down-tuned that much on this track/example and i had the volume at around a quarter and its still plenty loud. I did not EQ the guitar parts bar a HPF at probably 50Hz and some mild parallel compression on all the guitar parts plus a very small amount of Early Reflection only small studio IR reverb which adds that touch of spatial cues that Speaker emulated outs do not have (Which you would get if close mic'ing a cab in the real world and had the 2+ mics panned a little...Its something i always use when i use an emulated/compensated speaker output, Give it a try )

Believe me i am not trying to influence decision or attempting to sell anyone anything here as i would be very, very happy adding a Jet City, An Egnater plus MANY other amplifier heads to my collection but hopefully it gives a semi-decent idea of how the speaker emulated output sounds in use/mixed into a track

Dean

[onedove]

Ben Fargen is building me a '68 spec'd plexi. Switch for 90 V virtual variac AND switchable JCM800 mode. At a 100 watts, it's way too loud for my needs, but I figured that I'm old enough to allow myself this indulgence at this point in my life;)

I'll readily admit that my playing skills in no way will make up for this purchase. But then, you only live once, right?

[hibidy]

Ben Fargen is building me a '68 spec'd plexi. Switch for 90 V virtual variac AND switchable JCM800 mode. At a 100 watts, it's way too loud for my needs, but I figured that I'm old enough to allow myself this indulgence at this point in my life;)

I'll readily admit that my playing skills in no way will make up for this purchase. But then, you only live once, right?

I totally know the feeling

We want pics when you get it!

[onedove]

Absolutely! Still a couple of weeks to go, though...

[Dean Aka Nekro]

Fargen builds great amps...Too expensive for me and not deadly enough for my beard even in JCM800 territory

I ain't killed anyone yet FWIW

[onedove]

Well - I'm going on blind faith on this one (he's in the US and I'm in Norway, so there's no chance of try before buy on this one), but his clips on youtube won me over. I was considering Metropoulos, but he told me he has no time for custom builds. Same story with Suhr.

Crossing my fingers. Even though this is my profession, my wife is getting fed up with my gearlust;)

[Dean Aka Nekro]

Hmm I am thinking/hearing that the Aces High pedal has been equalized by Brian for that Marshall Crunch:

and i can just go my local to try one of these which helps...But wait i already have a JCM2000 DSL50 and a JCM2000 TSL122, The former does 800 to modded hotrodded 800 territory and beyond. The JVM that is on the list has many voices via the modes. So why in the world would i need one of these boxed-marshalls? Im a pedal whore

[trimph1]

Being a pedal whore is a good thing!!

[trimph1]

By the way guys..they are now in my house..hopefully tomorrow I can start installing the bits and pieces into the cab...

[hibidy]

@dean: Man, I love those clips like that! Totally always inspires me.

[Dean Aka Nekro]

Well - I'm going on blind faith on this one (he's in the US and I'm in Norway, so there's no chance of try before buy on this one), but his clips on youtube won me over. I was considering Metropoulos, but he told me he has no time for custom builds. Same story with Suhr.

Crossing my fingers. Even though this is my profession, my wife is getting fed up with my gearlust;)

I hope it turns out good for you and would love to hear some clips of it when you it arrives and you have some time to do some onedove, that would be earcandy (As said i down-tune heavily and need amps which can/do handle all the meat i can throw at them but it does not in any way take away my appreciation for other amps and same with guitars and also pedals which are quality...even get tempted to have a guitar in standard or maybe eb sometimes so i could have/use )

Cheers and all the best

Dean

[susiwong]

But wait i already have a JCM2000 DSL50 and a JCM2000 TSL122, The former does 800 to modded hotrodded 800 territory and beyond. The JVM that is on the list has many voices via the modes. So why in the world would i need one of these boxed-marshalls?

We had exactly that same dilemma today.
My tech friend came over with my new Forest Green Clone, we tried with the 6100's clean channel, comparing to his (handwired) original - spot on, as expected !
But then we plugged his Box Of Rocks into the clean channel, compared to Ch2 in 2203 mode, I played first. After a bit of tweaking he said "really close", I said "nope", handed him the guitar (he's a much better player than me) and watchd his jaw drop ...
The issue : The tone was amazingly similar, but while the tube channel felt dynamic and responsive with a pleasant hint of comresssion, the overdrive felt totally stiff and one dimensional in comparison ... the point is, you only notice while playing.
A listener would not mind ...
That's why I don't trust audio/video clips too much, and it also explains the vastly different views about ampsims to a degree.
But to finish up with some GAS - last in line was his Plimsoul - and that one is .
A combination of an OD- and a distortion stage, blended by playing dynamics or something - warm, fat, crunchy - not disguising as a tube amp, proud of being a pedal if that makes any sense.
Great pedal, instant Beck or Trower tone, but it might be an interesting addition to your arsenal too, try it out, it's unique !
Ymmv,
susiwong

[Dean Aka Nekro]

By the way guys..they are now in my house..hopefully tomorrow I can start installing the bits and pieces into the cab...

Man i am very excited, probably not so much as you are Barry my friend but its gotta be damned close!!!

@dean: Man, I love those clips like that! Totally always inspires me.

hibidy my friend if you have a youtube account then subscribe to premierguitar, pro guitar shop, gearmanndude and burgerman666 for that sort of thing on tap. Course i am alway happy to post stuff i see/hear on here man

All the best to you both

Dean@GASoverload.net

[susiwong]

By the way guys..they are now in my house..hopefully tomorrow I can start installing the bits and pieces into the cab...

Looking forward to your report !
susiwong

[Dean Aka Nekro]

But wait i already have a JCM2000 DSL50 and a JCM2000 TSL122, The former does 800 to modded hotrodded 800 territory and beyond. The JVM that is on the list has many voices via the modes. So why in the world would i need one of these boxed-marshalls?

We had exactly that same dilemma today.
My tech friend came over with my new Forest Green Clone, we tried with the 6100's clean channel, comparing to his (handwired) original - spot on, as expected !
But then we plugged his Box Of Rocks into the clean channel, compared to Ch2 in 2203 mode, I played first. After a bit of tweaking he said "really close", I said "nope", handed him the guitar (he's a much better player than me) and watchd his jaw drop ...
The issue : The tone was amazingly similar, but while the tube channel felt dynamic and responsive with a pleasant hint of comresssion, the overdrive felt totally stiff and one dimensional in comparison ... the point is, you only notice while playing.
A listener would not mind ...
That's why I don't trust audio/video clips too much, and it also explains the vastly different views about ampsims to a degree.
But to finish up with some GAS - last in line was his Plimsoul - and that one is .
A combination of an OD- and a distortion stage, blended by playing dynamics or something - warm, fat, crunchy - not disguising as a tube amp, proud of being a pedal if that makes any sense.
Great pedal, instant Beck or Trower tone, but it might be an interesting addition to your arsenal too, try it out, it's unique !
Ymmv,
susiwong

Agreed with a good OD/Boost pedal it has to be a two way street and the feel is most likely the reason i am an amp sim dodger as can get similar gain levels no problem but im just never happy with the result when the real deal is next to me. What can be pretty is running the same pedal chain and splitting it with an ABY box with one going to real amp/cab and the other going to sim head/Mic'd IR cab. I have been doing that quite alot when just practicing lately as my room is thin the cabs on one side and monitors the other there is not any extra delay than whatever the I/O latency trip which gives a bit of thickness to the sound. Ignite NRR-1, LePou's heads and ReCabinet 2 and some of the RedWirez IRs have been serving me real well. As commercial sim/emus go i have AmpegSVX and Metal Amp Room, Oh and magware Overloud TH2 CM Edition which i ain't tried yet.
If its one of my outright High-Gain distortion pedals going into my Ampeg BR-1e then despite no valves in sight it still has feel/bounce/thump and that works split into AmpegSVX as its the same thing really but ITB

So did your Forest Green deliver on all fronts what you knew you were in for mate? I know its a buy that you are fully familiar with but sometimes one gets a nice surprise trying with different heads. Clips? As and when with chickin' pickin on speed dial i would love to hear

Cheers mate

Edit: Sorry i didn't mention 'Plimsoul' as duly noted down and i think i know what you mean regarding a pedal being proud but neither masquerading as an amp pre-amp stage/tonestack but equally not being transparent magic...Although i can not explain it really. With the Rothwell used sometimes before or after some dirt boxes (pinacle II set with mild gain and not a huge volume boost hitting the amp's front-end, A cloned Boss OD-1 which has no tone control and some i could not justify the price of yet I have tried out in store into a just about to breakup/naturally compressing valve amp does yield that sort of feel which your volume pot and plectrum are master of all. I'll admitt when i first started to try that sort of thing is was bloody strange to begin with/felt damned naked but whilst it ain't my forte i am fairly comfortable with it now (If that makes any sense?)