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davidka · Post by **davidka** » Tue Aug 30, 2011 2:10 pm

Haha, guys, it's just an online forum, why do you bother convincing each other so hard?

I'd like to ask: Dmitry, are you planning on doing some videos about Diversion? Personally, I'm really curious about this synth, and would like to learn more about it.

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Tue Aug 30, 2011 3:07 pm

davidka wrote:Haha, guys, it's just an online forum, why do you bother convincing each other so hard?

Because online forums aren't useful for anything else?

Selfik · Post by **Selfik** » Tue Aug 30, 2011 3:12 pm

bmanic you're right,something is strange with the filter...
sches can you give us some light please?

Crackbaby · Post by **Crackbaby** » Tue Aug 30, 2011 3:43 pm

Could you guys show Dmitri some respect and argue in another thread..? It's about his synth, not about some personal fight

I say Dmitri, follow your path and your vision. You clearly have some followers who can see/hear what gap this synth fills among others! (Me included

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Bmanic, could you use a spectrum analyzer and see exactly what it is that's hurting your ears?

I tend to think about the sounds more as aggressive than harsh. Those acid lines makes my blood boil as i rip a wall of crystal apart with my hands

Time to play again, i just want to play some more.. then ill upload what i do with it

Igro · Post by **Igro** » Tue Aug 30, 2011 3:46 pm

bmanic wrote: and some of "chunk" from the envelope.

You was just hyped ElectraX, but couldn't managed to hear how crappy is Decay shape in there? The most abrupting decay shape i ever heard. Check on sine or any bellish sounds without the filter and its envelope. Just Amp envelope. And without any FX.

As for you words about Diversion, well, i think you're always try to compare VA synths against digitals, cos you love analogs(VA in this case) more.

But about filters resonance i totally agree and already told in the first pages of this thread. And also totally agree how to test the filters using SAW wave. Don't understand how Teksonik didn't get your point.

Igro · Post by **Igro** » Tue Aug 30, 2011 3:55 pm

Liero wrote:We were just talking about this phenomenon in another synth thread...

I've been demoing this too, the GUI is excellent and that's a really important thing but I have a similar gripe as bmanic does, there's something about the sound that is very unpleasant to me. I don't know if it's a weird coincidence that my monitors or room boost some kinda frequency that is disturbing but the basic oscillator&filter sound is IMO IMO IMO harsh. My other synths are Omnisphere and Twin and IMO IMO IMO they have a kind of "silkiness" or smoothness about them that this synth is the absolute opposite of.

So again, a synth with some really great features but one aspect of it that is subjectively really lacking and makes it a no-go for maybe a lot of people, maybe just me, I dunno. If the pure sound at the core of this synth was like the sound of Twin, it might be a likely purchase for me.

Modern music needs more brightness and bite and digital synths can give this. And they WILL be harsh(only cos of bright oscillators(some ppl tend to not understand that and keep trashing with the word "Harsh")). So this synths are not for "Vintage" heads and those who have allergy for digital sound.

Shes already stated about "Moogish sound" and he was right.

sches · Post by **sches** » Tue Aug 30, 2011 4:12 pm

No, bmanic, no offence is here, really! I wanted to show you that Sound Design World of Diversion is much wider. You can't explore it with a single sawtooth and a single lowpass. I understand why are you testing filters with a sawtooth, but I don't understand why not to like these filter types. These filters are versatile, and allow sculpting of wide variety of excellent timbres, including some "analog" ones. Here is another advantage of these filters. There is no level drop when you are tweaking the resonance. I think this is a very useful feature, I'm not a fan of such analogue behavior. If you would like to have more specialized filter's response you could try to use "Acid lp, bp", with an internal saturation.

The reason that I have not implemented good sounding "analogish" filter is its complexity. The simple chain of four one-pole filters with internal saturation stages does not sounding "warm" and "analog". It is a bit kind of wizardry to make cool analogish filter. I suspended development of such filter until better times. I don't want to insert semi-finished modules in Diversion. But also, this is quite possible to equip the plug with an analogish filter further, when I'll contrive a good sounding model. I have no idea, why the lack of this filter mode turns Diversion into the bad synth.

Selfik, there is nothing strange with filters to me, what do you mean exactly? Normal filter response, I'd say classic, normal dynamic characteristics. Not a "warm", yes it is.

Igro · Post by **Igro** » Tue Aug 30, 2011 4:20 pm

Crackbaby wrote: Bmanic, could you use a spectrum analyzer and see exactly what it is that's hurting your ears?

Didn't your monitors blow out without even putting analyzers?

Or you don't know how to sweep filters and resonance?

This resonance fusion is obviously there, just lower the lp24 and put resonance very high and sweep them, sweep(by Filter envelope or manually).

sches · Post by **sches** » Tue Aug 30, 2011 4:24 pm

davidka wrote:I'd like to ask: Dmitry, are you planning on doing some videos about Diversion? Personally, I'm really curious about this synth, and would like to learn more about it.

Thanks, David! I have no plans for video now. My written English is not good, while my spoken English is terrible. Someday, that will be done, but I don't know when. However, I'll try to run the blog explaining the sound design tricks available for use in Diversion. I hope it would be possible, and interesting.

Igro · Post by **Igro** » Tue Aug 30, 2011 4:29 pm

sches wrote:Here is another advantage of these filters. There is no level drop when you are tweaking the resonance

But there IS while you adjusting cutoff with the high value of resonance. Yes, almost all synths has a drops up in volume, but not that high.

Igro · Post by **Igro** » Tue Aug 30, 2011 4:45 pm

http://www.box.net/shared/xsto0ba37eyjnz5oit25

So here is the audioexample of resonance behaviour.

Again, this is the only downside i've found so far.

sches · Post by **sches** » Tue Aug 30, 2011 4:58 pm

Oh, yes Igro, I forgot to answer. Excuse me, please.

EDIT. Oh, sorry. My head is broken now, I'll answer a bit later...

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Tue Aug 30, 2011 5:19 pm

Igro wrote: And also totally agree how to test the filters using SAW wave. Don't understand how Teksonik didn't get your point.

Oh I get his point but I don't understand why you don't get the point that this synth has more than a Saw wave...try the filters with the Sync 3 waveform? Or try the Acid LP with Resonant 4 waveform ? You know, really test it out instead of trying to force it to sound like other synths? It may come as a shock to some people but it's entirely possible to create a great synth sound without using a single filter....it does however require you to expand the definition of "synth sound" beyond that which a Mini Moog can make..........

I don't hear anything wrong with the filters but then I have a proper sound system here....Are they the "fattest" or "Warmest" filters on the market? No and I don't think that's what the Dev was after but they are high quality.....perhpas quality is something certain people are just not used to hearing......

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Tue Aug 30, 2011 5:21 pm

Igro wrote:http://www.box.net/shared/xsto0ba37eyjnz5oit25

So here is the audioexample of resonance behaviour.

Again, this is the only downside i've found so far.

Filter Type? Drive Settings?

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Tue Aug 30, 2011 5:30 pm

bmanic wrote: Time to call it a day on this one.

Thank you

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