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petedako · Post by **petedako** » Tue Sep 06, 2011 6:58 am

Hi! I'm new to the OSC, here... but i am a big time Zebra and u-he synths lover!
I have been on KVR for quite awhile but just entered my first contest this month over in the U-HE forum...(still a few voting days left!)

Heard about this OSC in the ZPC 17 voting thread there. Now, I have a few questions about the rules -- by "free plug-ins" does that also include "Vocoder"? I usually use the EVOC 20 in Logic (not free) but I know there is a free AU vocoder in KVR's library... however does including vocals or "spoken word" (even vocoded) break OSC rules?

and 2nd part of my question is for die-hard U-HE experts - can Zebralette also be sidechained somehow and work the way Filterscape or Zebra 2's Zebrify can on a vocal/audio signal????

thnx, Pete

Crackbaby · Post by **Crackbaby** » Tue Sep 06, 2011 8:59 am

JoeCat wrote: Tinnitus - I've had it my whole life also. Don't notice it unless I'm thinking about it. But I've thought of having my hearing checked - wondering how my hearing is, as making music with bad hearing is like being a color-blind painter. That's why I A/B my mixes with commercial productions often. I've often wondered if the tinnitus causes a notch somewhere, or if I'm losing high-frequencies. Spectrum analyzers being invaluable of course, also.
Good luck to all!

Put headphones on and then run a sinus wave from 20hz up to 20khz. For me it sounds like it pans left to right all the time .. so notch .. oh yes! haha

IrionDaRonin · Post by **IrionDaRonin** » Tue Sep 06, 2011 11:40 am

petedako wrote:Hi! I'm new to the OSC, here... but i am a big time Zebra and u-he synths lover!
I have been on KVR for quite awhile but just entered my first contest this month over in the U-HE forum...(still a few voting days left!)

Heard about this OSC in the ZPC 17 voting thread there. Now, I have a few questions about the rules -- by "free plug-ins" does that also include "Vocoder"? I usually use the EVOC 20 in Logic (not free) but I know there is a free AU vocoder in KVR's library... however does including vocals or "spoken word" (even vocoded) break OSC rules?

and 2nd part of my question is for die-hard U-HE experts - can Zebralette also be sidechained somehow and work the way Filterscape or Zebra 2's Zebrify can on a vocal/audio signal????

thnx, Pete

@petedako
Hi and welcome to OSC Petedako.
Sorry about the bad news, but you can't use a vocoder because it could change the nature of the sound drastically. (I love vocoders too)
The only way to use a vocoder is, obviously, if the synth would have already a built-in one. But no external.
Also you said is not freeware, so would be a double no.

And yes, the use of any external sample, guitars, vocals, fx, etc breaks the spirit of OSC.

Have a good day, i hope you come with a nice track this month.

Crackbaby wrote:Put headphones on and then run a sinus wave from 20hz up to 20khz. For me it sounds like it pans left to right all the time .. so notch .. oh yes! haha

@Crackbaby
Mine is a high frecuency. Someday i will try to recreate what i can listen using any synth. But this sound is very strange to do it, sounds like unnatainable to recreate.

In my case i think there is no notch. I can't imagine a track which use this high frecuency really.
When i'm mastering, i noticed about i almost reach the 18Khz, so i think my tinnitus high frecuency "oscillating" about 18Khz and 22Khz. But i'm not sure because i never tested before.

Anyway is not a sinewave, it sounds more complex than that, it could be a very fast loop part of a granulized bell in high frecuencies, sounds a bit metallic. But it's not a hassle or atonal, it's "widen" in the panoramic and it sounds harmonic even, so i could even "enjoy" it.
Now i think, it sounds like when someone makes a "kiss" sound very close to your ear, and they get numb. (Sorry i can't explain this very well)

And try to not think so much about it. It could drives you crazy or getting obssesed more and more in life. In fact, i won't say anything more about it.

Have a good day

Changing theme.

Everyday i'm using Zebralette more and more, i'm in love more and more too.
Amazing FX filter section. Awesome modulation and routes. Great morphing oscillator part even if there is only one OSC. Friendly with CPU. And marvellous quality sound. And also, an instintive GUI.

I can't believe Zebralette is free.

V'ger · Post by **V'ger** » Tue Sep 06, 2011 1:38 pm

kx.001 wrote:is there a free-ware chainer type bit of software - I'm presuming that using hte one built in to FL studio would be a no-no (I also have the ddmf one which is payware too) to make combining two a bit simpler?

I guess the built-in one is ok as nothing revolutionary is happening and EnergyXT can also do this by default which of course is a permitted DAW. For others who want to chain, there's the free beta of VSTForx

petedako wrote:Now, I have a few questions about the rules -- by "free plug-ins" does that also include "Vocoder"? I usually use the EVOC 20 in Logic (not free) but I know there is a free AU vocoder in KVR's library... however does including vocals or "spoken word" (even vocoded) break OSC rules

Hi and welcome.

Make sure you read all the OSC rules which are here.

As you can see, the rule about effects is:

External effects: Allowed but must be freeware and easily available to all. This means none of the DAW's effects can be used except native EQ which is ok. Modulation effects like chorus, phaser, flanger etc or effects that transform the sounds to make them unrecognizable as being from the synth are not allowed. (ANY kind of effect already IN the synth can of course be used freely)

So I guess vocoder is not really a modulation effect, but a filter 'synth' which makes it borderline and it also doesn't take much vocoder to make the original sound unrecognizable so use it at own risk. (voter's justice

)

As for voice use, it's clearly a no-no:

No external samples or live sounds like voice, guitar etc allowed. However, for convenience or CPU saving, synth bouncing/sampling are allowed but only where the exact same result could have been achieved using the original synth. Samplers used must be freeware and easily available to all.

Crackbaby · Post by **Crackbaby** » Tue Sep 06, 2011 2:15 pm

I just meant you would find some "broken" frequencies when sweeping the sinus. See what frequencies you have a lower response to

And about the kiss ... i know EXACTLY what you mean ... Waargh! that's annoying to think about even!

alphuris · Post by **alphuris** » Tue Sep 06, 2011 2:42 pm

Hi, first time submission though I've been lurking. Actually this is my first ever release of self-produced electronic music which should explain for the lack of polish. Hope you dig it.

Don't have my workstation in front of me, but here's what I believe it entails.

6 synths:
1 kick
2 upper range percussion
1 bass
1 rhythmn
1 lead

host: Ableton Live

No external effects

Most of the sounds are modified presets.

Crackbaby · Post by **Crackbaby** » Tue Sep 06, 2011 2:54 pm

Is it ok to link uploads asking for opinions? I'd like to know how bass is as "explained above in another post" and also if the reverb is ok. It does add to the sound. It's ad_reverb from xhip collection.

I have also, by accident, uploaded an example of the kickdrum i made in zebralette .. energyXT has direct upload in program (to soundcloud) but it only bounced the current selected part

That said, uploading the whole track from XT crashed it every time

Great feature though!

It uses several instances of zebralette as you can imagine and none of them are sampled. I use ad_reverb from xhip effects collection, DVS Reverb, DVS Neongate. After that there's only EQ and compression. Mix is no where done yet so exactly what ill use will probably change

But right now - SonEQ, Grancomp/3, VoS Tape, VoS Transient (yes, i have renamed the dll's :p), Stardust
K-Meter and Spectrum Analyzer

Im aiming for K-12 .. cant remember what was for what .. Maybe K-12 was for broadcast? Any advice? Even though it's house of some sort, i dont want to squash it unless for creative purposes.

Hihat started out from daronin's upload!

V'ger · Post by **V'ger** » Tue Sep 06, 2011 4:04 pm

Of course, ask away Crackbaby. Although I would not advice on what's too much reverb as i like to drench things in it being a reverb fetishist..

But of course i guess there is a limit to where too much reverb makes the synth sound unrecognizable, but imo you really have to push it to get there.

But what K-meter are u using? Span? K-12 is indeed for broadcast but that's a bit too low for SoundCloud imo. Your choice of course.

And cheers for the submissions, adam_firegate and alphuris

And yours is just a temp track Bzur? (love that pic btw

)

Crackbaby · Post by **Crackbaby** » Tue Sep 06, 2011 4:33 pm

the K-Meter is called "K-Meter (Stereo).dll", freeware found in kvr database

What do you think i should use? K20? I have no idea here

IrionDaRonin · Post by **IrionDaRonin** » Tue Sep 06, 2011 5:16 pm

Crackbaby wrote:the K-Meter is called "K-Meter (Stereo).dll", freeware found in kvr database

What do you think i should use? K20? I have no idea here

That is what i use always to see levels and peaks.
I always turn ON:
Normal, Hold, Peaks and Expand when mastering.

Have a good day

petedako · Post by **petedako** » Tue Sep 06, 2011 5:43 pm

OK got it! Thanks for your replies

IrionDaRonin wrote: not freeware, so would be a double no..

For those that are interested there is a FREE vocoder plug-in that you can download from KVR called

"TAL-VOCODER"

just don't use it in the contest!!!

bzur · Post by **bzur** » Tue Sep 06, 2011 7:56 pm

petedako wrote: just don't use it in the contest!!!

... or use it at your own risk!

gorgorgathgorgorgor · Post by **gorgorgathgorgorgor** » Wed Sep 07, 2011 1:23 am

I'm Baaack!

Gorgorgathgorgorgor - Android Holiday

9 instances of Zebralette
2 instances of Density Mk III (kik and bass)
Ferric TDS on the master

Automation on the sustain of the "hi hat" sound for "open" and "closed" sounds.

Automatons need vacations too!

gorgorgathgorgorgor · Post by **gorgorgathgorgorgor** » Wed Sep 07, 2011 1:43 am

hmmm. Seems to be an artifact of noise in there, I'll try the upload again.

EDIT and now I'm not hearing it... weird... Ghosts in the machine!

PurpleCatfishBettie · Post by **PurpleCatfishBettie** » Wed Sep 07, 2011 2:34 am

Walter and Walter, by mrblitz000

Renoise Host

4 x Zebralette

2 x mfilter, stereoizer, 5 x buzmaxi3, mda stereo, gclip, stardust.

...Walter Bishop on the left, and Walter White on the right.

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