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crisfer · Post by **crisfer** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 11:38 am

Hi;

I would like to aks 3 questions:

-It's possible to set the Volumes of the plugins for a Maximum of 0 db because I would like to use a external midi control devide I would like that the volume of the plugins and master volume does not pass the 0 db.

- It's possible to use cantabille as a Mixer also for example to create a mix betwen the plug ins and also a yamaha motif that is using it's own sounds. it's possible to use a audio In and just control it's volume without passing no plugin?

- Can we create a Bank with triggers So that i can trigger in every start session a sound\patch in my external keyboard. I know that it is possible to trigger patch and sounds But I would like to create like a list so that I don't need to everytime be writting the bank and program change values

Regards
Cristóvão Ferreira

humphrey · Post by **humphrey** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 2:12 pm

Hi,

1) Yes, that's possible:
a) Make an assignment to map the MIDI-controller to the volume-fader on the gui. Now you will be able to control it but you get levels of more than 0dB.
b) Create a MIDI-Filter, chose the MIDI-Input where your controller is sending on, add "Controler Map", use same controller for input and output and decrese the "to" level of the Target Controller to 64 (instead of 127). Now you will see that the maximum input of the controller will exactly lead to 0dB.

2) Yes, that's possible: you can also map an external audio source to a rack. So you will be able to lead this signal through effects, pans and volume faders and integrate it to a mix. But please keep in mind, that you will get twice the latency of the soundcard as the signal has to pass the ASIO buffers two times (input and output). There is not a feature like latecy compensations you probably know from other DAW software like Cubase (as it is principally not possible to realise this for a life situation).

3) Sorry, but I don't know of a possibility like this (but maybe I didn't really understand your needs here).

regards, humphrey

crisfer · Post by **crisfer** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 2:49 pm

Thank you for the help

2) when I use plug ins at the same time with my motif connect to a profire 2626 I have no latency because it as direct monitoring. some times I feel like it as doing a small chorus because of the diference f the piano from the motif and plug in. If I connect the motif to cantabile it will no be the same latency of the plug ins?

3) for example in cubase you have device manager where you can choose for example to send the bank and program change message to the motif choosing the sound that you want is this possible with cantabile.

4) other thing I have been triyng to open a ivory piano in rack 1 and another in rack 2 but it allways copy the modifications that I made in one to the another. Who do I solve that

Thank You
Regards

Cristóvão Ferreira

humphrey · Post by **humphrey** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 4:26 pm

Hi,

2) direct monitoring means you don't really lead your signal through the ASIO interface. So it doesn't have to pass the ASIO buffers which leads to (near to) zero latency.

If the reason for using cantabile is the possibility to change the sound inside cantabile ASIO can not be substitued and you get the latency. The other possibility would be to control MIDI-parameters of your soundcard by cantabile.

3) No, I'm not aware of something like device manager inside cantabile. KORE (Native Instruments) had such a database inside (but they don't produce it anymore).

4) Sorry, didn't observe something like this. Only idea: do you use Sub Sessions and don't have activated the "Entire Banks" function for Sub Sessions?

regards, humphrey

crisfer · Post by **crisfer** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 7:04 pm

2) the only reason is for create a 2 or 3 layer piano, one from vst and the other from the motif.

How can I controller the interface vhannel volume from the cantabile so that in diferent session I can have diferent mixes?

4) I'm ussing Just a single session no sub-sessions!

5)it's possible to use reason with cantabille?

Regards
Cristovao Ferreira

humphrey · Post by **humphrey** » Sun Sep 18, 2011 7:46 am

Hi,

2) In this case it would be sufficient to control volume of your motif by a MIDI CC command. To do so you simply create a Trigger Event:
- Event = Session Load
- Action = Send Controller Change 7 (Volume Coarse)
- Target = MIDI Out from which you can control your Motif

4) Sorry, no idea at the moment...

5) I don't have Reason. I think this strongly depends on the possibilities of your soundcard. The driver has to have wdm - drivers. In this case the audio outs of cantabile and reason have to mapped to different virtual audio outputs (of course you can mixdown them inside the soundcard to one physical stereo out.
The other need is to do a similar mapping concerning MIDI channels.

I did some tests on this and can tell some DAW combinations work other make difficulties. I think you simply have to do some testing to get an experience of your own.

regards, humphrey

crisfer · Post by **crisfer** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 2:44 pm

2) but it is possible for just use the audio input for controlling the volume insted of passing thru a plug in
?

humphrey · Post by **humphrey** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 5:42 pm

Yes, you can use the audio input without using a plugin just to control the volume, but in this case you get the latency of 2 audio buffers as I described. The audio fader in cantabile doesn't correspond to MIDI !

crisfer · Post by **crisfer** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 9:36 pm

OK but how do I do that. If I open a Rack and if I don't have a plugin it will not allow me to use the audio input.

humphrey · Post by **humphrey** » Tue Sep 20, 2011 6:28 am

1) Activate the input in "Master Levels" Section (on top)
2) Activate the rack by clicking the little microphone icon so that it gets green.

Now you can adjust the level by using the fader.

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