Beta version of MDynamicEq available, optinions?

[MeldaProduction]

log mode

Just trying this for the first time... why is this not the default mode??? This is way easier to dial in!

I'm going to have to re-evaluate the plug down at the studio (currently just testing on my laptop).

Aaaah you see? Well to be honest, I don't like that mode, but that's probably just the way I'd like the plugin to be, while the log mode is more like how you want it to be . Let me know what you think .

[mljung]

It frustrates me because I know Vojtech could easily make a plug-in that would completely kill my IQ4 if he put his mind to it. But he seems to have this perverse antipathy to the concept of a Ratio control...

Honestly, if the current dynamics section were replaced with a conventional dynamics stage, with options for upward and downward compression and expansion, and conventional Threshold and Ratio controls plus Range, THIS PLUGIN WOULD TOTALLY ROCK!!

I understand the feeling, but if the current dynamic section were replaced, it would be another plugin, one could argue. Maybe it's a variation Vojtech would do later on, if you can persuade him


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Mads

[IIRs]

if the current dynamic section were replaced, it would be another plugin,

Yes. A better one!

[Dean Aka Nekro]

As a fellow Manc lad i will spare you the original (great tracks but hell their sound gets my goat of mendes!) and me being the heavy music type that i am you get a quality cover version

It would be damned good to have a new/updated take on your DynamicEQ Dan, Really would. I use the Sonalksis CQ1/DQ1 but still reach for your one as it can be more flexable

I would snap it up FWIW. MeldaProduction - If you build it, They will come (remember the immortal saying!)

Dean

[MeldaProduction]

Ok, I'm not sure how to understand here

Anyway Dan how does it look?
Technically all we don't have here is the ratio (which btw. isn't on the DQ1 as well afaik) and range. I will definitely leave the dynamic gain as it is. But I was thinking to add the range to the extended version MAutoDynamicEq. I was even thinking about adding the extended dynamic module with ratio and range, but so far it seems redundant and it would definitely be in the popup window to keep the plugin simple.

[Dean Aka Nekro]

Sorry Vojtech its just me and there is not much to understand. That track i posted was a cover version of The Smiths track 'Please, Please, Please Let Me Get What I Want' and i posted that cover version as although i like some of The Smiths tracks, I am not keen on the sound they had and the vocals. So its a semi-joke/summing up Dan's want of the *perfect* implementation of a Dyanmic Equalizer thing and really bar that it actually has naff all to do with dynamicEq Sorry for taking it abit of topic

So back on topic now, I mentioned the Sonalksis plug-ins as they are the ones that i reach for/have when i need dyanamicEq (well the DQ1) but would gladly jump ship if something more flexable was available. I do not have the Brainworx bx_dynamic EQ plug-ins but I really enjoyed the demo (I do have some of the Brainworx Music plug-ins but could not justify the price of the lot of them). I also use Dan's iEQgui also

I see/fully understand your dilema from a user friendly point of view versus endless tweaking possibilities as a developer and buisness/selling your tool. A complex interface i understand would put alot of potential buyer's off. A work around maybe would be a small version which is really user friendly and a large version which has the (Tabbed? Popup? or whatever you choose) endless possibilites? I am not a developer or business man though so explaining exactly what i mean is not easy

All the best and will certainly try the plug-in, Thank you and hope that i am making some sense now

Dean

[MeldaProduction]

Aaaha , well, now I get it .

Anyway about the features - there actually is the popup window (in fact 2 of them), with pretty much "endless possibilities" , but the main topic here was actually the set of the basic parameters - whereas I like the simple approach provided by dynamic gain, Dan wanted ratio, which however also needs the threshold. So basically now there is a threshold as well, but in order to make the dynamic gain work similarly to ratio, you need to switch the band to the logarithmic mode, which is on one of the "scientific" popups .

I think the current solution is more or less finished as it can more or less satisfy both approaches. It's just that default is the "simpler" approach .

[miro pajic]

I think it's perfect the way it is. Keep it simple at first glance (unusual for melda stuff)

EDIT: I love the new HP/LP way. Would you consider to display the exact frequency when touching the bands?

[MeldaProduction]

I think it's perfect the way it is. Keep it simple at first glance (unusual for melda stuff)

EDIT: I love the new HP/LP way. Would you consider to display the exact frequency when touching the bands?

Aaaa, good point

[miro pajic]

[IIRs]

Anyway Dan how does it look?

I guess you are talking about the version in this thread? (in case anyone else misses it as I did at first )

Anyway, sorry for the delay getting back to you: I've still not had a chance to test this properly at the studio (I'm so far behind with other stuff at the moment, sorry).

My impression so far however is that Log Mode makes a huge difference: I can now use the Dynamic Gain as if it were a ratio control, and I think I could probably achieve most tasks without recourse to the graph editor... I'll get back to you about that.

I would still really like a Range control however... but to be honest this is going to be confusing when combined with a Dynamic Gain parameter that is also calibrated in dB. Threshold, Ratio and Range still makes more sense to me!

Other things I would miss sometimes would be upward compression and downward expansion (are these possible using the graph editor?) and MS stereo options. Maybe for your more advanced version..?

The level and gain modulation metering in the right-click menu are great: really very helpful! A small observation about the gain modulation metering however: it appears to have the same ballistic reponse as the level meters, which makes it difficult to judge what is actually happenening with fast release times. Specifically, there is quite a big difference between the modulation displayed on the EQ graph and the modulation displayed on the meter in the right-click menu. I think it would be more useful if the gain modulation metering used much faster ballistics, or perhaps was not smoothed at all.

On the subject of smoothing: the fastest release times on offer are VERY fast indeed. While I do appreciate the option to set the attack time right down to zero, I don't think release times below 1ms are ever going to be that useful? I reckon a minimum of 10ms would still be faster than ever really needed, no?

[MeldaProduction]

Anyway, sorry for the delay getting back to you: I've still not had a chance to test this properly at the studio (I'm so far behind with other stuff at the moment, sorry).

My impression so far however is that Log Mode makes a huge difference: I can now use the Dynamic Gain as if it were a ratio control, and I think I could probably achieve most tasks without recourse to the graph editor... I'll get back to you about that.

Great!

I would still really like a Range control however... but to be honest this is going to be confusing when combined with a Dynamic Gain parameter that is also calibrated in dB. Threshold, Ratio and Range still makes more sense to me!

That's the problem. I just don't see a way to fit the range in. I'll keep thinking, but the dynamic gain will stay like this.

Other things I would miss sometimes would be upward compression and downward expansion (are these possible using the graph editor?) and MS stereo options. Maybe for your more advanced version..?

That's kind of what I was thinking about - create a dedicated compression/expansion module into the band settings, which would override the normal processing, or change it somehow. Don't know now. But it would probably be without automation.

The level and gain modulation metering in the right-click menu are great: really very helpful! A small observation about the gain modulation metering however: it appears to have the same ballistic reponse as the level meters, which makes it difficult to judge what is actually happenening with fast release times. Specifically, there is quite a big difference between the modulation displayed on the EQ graph and the modulation displayed on the meter in the right-click menu. I think it would be more useful if the gain modulation metering used much faster ballistics, or perhaps was not smoothed at all.

Hmmm, ok, I'll think about it . The trouble here is that it will never be as fast as the processor can actually be. When you think about it, eyes have a "sampling rate" of say 30 frames per second, so with attack/release lower than say 20ms you won't be able to see it anyway, not mentioning the refresh rate.

On the subject of smoothing: the fastest release times on offer are VERY fast indeed. While I do appreciate the option to set the attack time right down to zero, I don't think release times below 1ms are ever going to be that useful? I reckon a minimum of 10ms would still be faster than ever really needed, no?

That's true, though I think it's not really a life-complication and maybe someone will be able to use it as a kind of distortion effect .

[mljung]

I still love this new EQ, and really want to use it in my projects!

Vojtech, is it "safe" to use now, or could there still be compatibility issues, using it in it's current state, when upgrading to the final release..?

Can't we expect a final release soon..?

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Mads

[MeldaProduction]

I still love this new EQ, and really want to use it in my projects!

Vojtech, is it "safe" to use now, or could there still be compatibility issues, using it in it's current state, when upgrading to the final release..?

Can't we expect a final release soon..?

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Mads

Thank you

I think it is safe, but try to avoid automation, the automation parameters may get changed, potentially.

The final release will happen soon, I'm a little stuck with the Mac64 stuff now, so hopefully it will get solved soon.

[mljung]

Thank you

I think it is safe, but try to avoid automation, the automation parameters may get changed, potentially.

The final release will happen soon, I'm a little stuck with the Mac64 stuff now, so hopefully it will get solved soon.

Sounds good - I won't use automation

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Mads