KVR Audio

mfa · Post by **mfa** » Sun Oct 02, 2011 4:03 pm

zorniko wrote:Now, the annoyance
Sync on/off doesn't give us the closest values - it resets the values. IMO it should not work like that - and I guess those ms/lengths/bts can be recalculated using the host tempo, to give us at least the closest possible value.
Or maybe to stay where they were, even if they're "incorrect"?
Even that will be better than this, I think.

I totally understand what you mean. How handy it would be if one could switch from absolute time to tempo synced without any change in the sound. The approach you suggest has some gotchas however, and isn't as simple to implement as it might seem at first. Definitely worth trying i must admit.

DJ_Bach · Post by **DJ_Bach** » Sun Oct 02, 2011 5:12 pm

I updated to Ableton Live 8.2.6 and the error pop up still happens. Kairatune will freeze, flatten, and export but about 30 seconds later the error pop up shows and I have to quit Live. It's sort of like a delayed response. So I'm baffled.

However, Cubase exports Kairatune just fine.

mfa · Post by **mfa** » Sun Oct 02, 2011 6:43 pm

DJ_Bach wrote:I updated to Ableton Live 8.2.6 and the error pop up still happens. Kairatune will freeze, flatten, and export but about 30 seconds later the error pop up shows and I have to quit Live. It's sort of like a delayed response. So I'm baffled.

However, Cubase exports Kairatune just fine.

I've had reports from 8.2.5 and 8.2.6, that say it works. Of course we can never rule out the possibility that Kairatune is causing the crash, but it seems unlikely until someone can reproduce it. I've tried everything you describe without seeing the symptoms.

I take it that you have tested this procedure on some/every other plugin and that no other plugin causes any problems? Could you post some details of the project setup, samplerate, bit depth, length of the song, number of instances, etc. so i can give it one more shot please.

It would be also helpful, if you could specify the simplest possible procedure to produce the crash, starting from a blank project file.

DJ_Bach · Post by **DJ_Bach** » Sun Oct 02, 2011 6:58 pm

No other VST plugin causes this problem. The project is 44.1 16 bit and very simple. I create a single midi note 4 measures long at 120 bpm. I then freeze the track. No problem yet. After I flatten the track, about 30 seconds later I get the error. Very strange. Same thing happens if I export audio at 16 bit.

glokraw · Post by **glokraw** » Sun Oct 02, 2011 6:59 pm

mfa wrote:
glokraw wrote:
mfa wrote: We're talking about Kairatune right? There's supposed to be some reasonable value displayed for each control.
you must think I'm a total I'm sure I stared at the screen while being dazzled by the sounds and thought, gee, numbers would be nice...
Did the wife slip me some meds? $300 is missing from the wallet
Yes, I'll blame it on meds, 6-day work weeks, and being distracted by the great sounds, was that a theremin I heard while doing pitchbend leads in the upper octaves on the 'sweeping threat bass' patch?
Oh, that happens to me all the time. And no, that would be the angel you heard. Every copy comes packed with one. Can you imagine how difficult those are to get these days... and they want polyphony.

It pays to be well connected

A.M. Gold · Post by **A.M. Gold** » Mon Oct 03, 2011 1:55 am

Here's a link to a track I whipped out last night featuring mostly Kairatune (it's the only synth) with some electric bass and drums. Matti plans to post this also on his site. The lead voices are going through two UAD choruses, EQ, and compression. I think the bass voice mostly just uses some EQ and comp.

I thought I'd add it here in case anyone is interested. I think this shows off the more melodic potential of the patches that are possible on this great synth.

P.S. My track's a little loud.

http://soundcloud.com/david-perry/kairatune-jam

mfa · Post by **mfa** » Mon Oct 03, 2011 4:28 pm

DJ_Bach wrote:No other VST plugin causes this problem. The project is 44.1 16 bit and very simple. I create a single midi note 4 measures long at 120 bpm. I then freeze the track. No problem yet. After I flatten the track, about 30 seconds later I get the error. Very strange. Same thing happens if I export audio at 16 bit.

Sorry i didn't notice your post until now. I have tried everything you describe but can't see the bug. I can not even begin to think of ways to fix this problem.

I will keep this in mind while preparing the future updates.

Please, don't be offended, but i won't list this issue as a bug until it is confirmed. If you have the time and are willing to help me a little further, i could use an even more (a lot more) detailed description of your system. Which OS version, buffer sizes, which hardware and basically anything. Please PM or email this information to me. I really would like to see you enjoy the synth.

DJ_Bach · Post by **DJ_Bach** » Tue Oct 04, 2011 1:59 am

mfa wrote:
DJ_Bach wrote:No other VST plugin causes this problem. The project is 44.1 16 bit and very simple. I create a single midi note 4 measures long at 120 bpm. I then freeze the track. No problem yet. After I flatten the track, about 30 seconds later I get the error. Very strange. Same thing happens if I export audio at 16 bit.
Sorry i didn't notice your post until now. I have tried everything you describe but can't see the bug. I can not even begin to think of ways to fix this problem. :( I will keep this in mind while preparing the future updates.

Please, don't be offended, but i won't list this issue as a bug until it is confirmed. If you have the time and are willing to help me a little further, i could use an even more (a lot more) detailed description of your system. Which OS version, buffer sizes, which hardware and basically anything. Please PM or email this information to me. I really would like to see you enjoy the synth.

I believe that whatever is causing my problem will remain a mystery. As mentioned in a previous post, Kairatune exports fine in Cubase. I can then import these files into Live as a workaround.

Thanks for trying...

mudpeople · Post by **mudpeople** » Fri Oct 07, 2011 11:00 pm

Does Kairatune accept Program Change? I was hoping to use it in my live set, no PC means touching the laptop, a tiny bit more awkward than Id prefer. Ill still be using it for studio work, of course

Also, Ive had no trouble running Kairatune in Live 8.2.5.

Im hoping that i missed the setting to allow PC messages, or failing that perhaps its something for a future version?

mfa · Post by **mfa** » Sat Oct 08, 2011 8:40 am

mudpeople wrote:Does Kairatune accept Program Change? I was hoping to use it in my live set, no PC means touching the laptop, a tiny bit more awkward than Id prefer.

No, Kairatune doesn't respond to MIDI program change yet, i'm sorry.

Ill still be using it for studio work, of course Also, Ive had no trouble running Kairatune in Live 8.2.5.

Great! This is really good to know. Thank you!

Im hoping that i missed the setting to allow PC messages, or failing that perhaps its something for a future version?

There's no setting for this so nothing you can do to fix it for now. I'm adding support for program change messages in the first update. It's no big deal, just something i overlooked. Please check back for an update.

mudpeople · Post by **mudpeople** » Sat Oct 08, 2011 3:37 pm

Good to hear!

Im glad its something that simple

awol9000 · Post by **awol9000** » Fri Oct 28, 2011 8:41 pm

A.M. Gold wrote:Here's a link to a track I whipped out last night featuring mostly Kairatune (it's the only synth) with some electric bass and drums. Matti plans to post this also on his site. The lead voices are going through two UAD choruses, EQ, and compression. I think the bass voice mostly just uses some EQ and comp.

I thought I'd add it here in case anyone is interested. I think this shows off the more melodic potential of the patches that are possible on this great synth.

P.S. My track's a little loud.

http://soundcloud.com/david-perry/kairatune-jam

D\L based on this song. Badass sounds. pretty excited as I write this, gotta go play around with it.

DaveL60 · Post by **DaveL60** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 10:42 pm

A.M. Gold wrote:P.S. My track's a little loud.

And really good. Vibrant sounds and nice melodies.

DaveL

A.M. Gold · Post by **A.M. Gold** » Sun Oct 30, 2011 1:55 am

DaveL60 wrote:
A.M. Gold wrote:P.S. My track's a little loud.
And really good. Vibrant sounds and nice melodies.

DaveL

Hey, thanks. I honestly didn't think anyone would care much about it but I'm flattered by the compliments.

Yea, I think the lead and bass sounds I chose are very cool and they are utterly stock to the factory presets. Matti didn't even recognize them, and also found them exciting, so I'm assuming someone else designed those presets.

Crackbaby · Post by **Crackbaby** » Fri Nov 11, 2011 4:03 pm

I hope things are still going well for you and Kairatune

There was a mention of a near update on your website.. sounds exciting

Kairatune, new synth released