KVR Audio

Caine123 · Post by **Caine123** » Sat Oct 15, 2011 10:23 am

bought the special version over at audiomidi.com to have some more sounds, well it's not one of the higher quality sounding vsts in my opinion but for that price it got some nice sounds.

1. when i play on my pc keyboard for example few notes at the same time in fl studio it gets slower and stuttering, no other vst has this prob.

2. i reloaded a project and it reset my patches :/
i double clicked on the bankfolder on the names and adjusted some parameters, isnt that enough?

the controls seem a bit clunky in my opnion

vata44 · Post by **vata44** » Sat Oct 15, 2011 10:49 am

it is a high CPU synth... increase your ASIO buffer size/latency.

Shy · Post by **Shy** » Sat Oct 15, 2011 11:11 am

I agree that the interface needs some work, mainly for people like me without good eyesight.
I haven't had the patch reset problem, maybe it's FL specific. Also the stuttering, but I have a strong CPU so couldn't say, but very low buffer settings as said may cause it.

Caine123 wrote:well it's not one of the higher quality sounding vsts in my opinion but for that price it got some nice sounds.

Good trick to steer people away from one of the best secret weapons. Just don't listen to the examples on the site or download the demo.

RunBeerRun · Post by **RunBeerRun** » Sat Oct 15, 2011 1:34 pm

It's very high quality! What frequency modulation based synth are you comparing it to?

Shalotta · Post by **Shalotta** » Sat Oct 15, 2011 3:07 pm

Caine123 wrote: ... well it's not one of the higher quality sounding vsts in my opinion but for that price it got some nice sounds.

I am very surprised to see this as well
and like to know, compared to what frequency modulation based synth ?

The only idea about such a statement I have is,
it may does not match the genre and desired sounds.

Regarding the price:
I haven't seen such a good package and deal for 20$ by now.

androidlove · Post by **androidlove** » Sat Oct 15, 2011 8:06 pm

I tried the demo. It gave errors in MiniHost. It doesn't in Tracktion3. I've never used a synth that has this lag. People say, "work around it." The sounds are so milquetoast, why would anyone go to the trouble? The KORG M1 is much better in this league.

Shy · Post by **Shy** » Sat Oct 15, 2011 8:40 pm

androidlove wrote:I tried the demo. It gave errors in MiniHost. It doesn't in Tracktion3. I've never used a synth that has this lag. People say, "work around it." The sounds are so milquetoast, why would anyone go to the trouble? The KORG M1 is much better in this league.

I think WaveStation is great and much better than M1, and Rhino does completely different stuff and is one of the most "solid" sounding software FM synths (unlike some horrible, buzzy popular ones) plus it has a sweet sounding filter (when not set to ridiculously extreme resonance) and good samples. I wouldn't judge the sound of such a powerful synth based on some cheesy presets either, just like I wouldn't judge WaveStation based on that.

I don't know what you mean about "lag", it works perfectly for me in several hosts. Maybe MiniHost needs a fix or the synth itself to work properly in it.

androidlove · Post by **androidlove** » Sat Oct 15, 2011 8:47 pm

Shy wrote:most "solid" sounding software FM synths

i didn't check the method. i just fired it up and played some lagging notes in minihost and tracktion3. i barely use fm synths. when i need some plinky sounds, i have some freeware for those. i thought rhino was trying to be a hardware like synth, and using samples, as a soft synth cannot compare to the best hardware. wait, why am i here?

i tried wave station. the sounds are weak, and it's about sequencing within the synth. that's a limited way to sequence. a host lets you do that and more with any synth

Caine123 · Post by **Caine123** » Sat Oct 15, 2011 8:52 pm

maybe i rushed my comment cause i was testing some presets and some controls and try to test it more out now.

presetwise it is not worth the 99 bucks in my opinion at all, for 20 bucks with extra banks it's a no brainer and for sounddesigners i guess too. zeta was more a bang for the buck.

but still my 2 problems still exist and it sucks really...

cain · Post by **cain** » Sat Oct 15, 2011 9:01 pm

quick question sorry to hijack for a bit where does the serial key go in windows 7 32bit cat find the folder that it say its shoild go in ? help please

Shy · Post by **Shy** » Sat Oct 15, 2011 9:32 pm

androidlove wrote:
Shy wrote:most "solid" sounding software FM synths
i didn't check the method. i just fired it up and played some lagging notes in minihost and tracktion3. i barely use fm synths. when i need some plinky sounds, i have some freeware for those. i thought rhino was trying to be a hardware like synth, and using samples, as a soft synth cannot compare to the best hardware. wait, why am i here?

i tried wave station. the sounds are weak, and it's about sequencing within the synth. that's a limited way to sequence. a host lets you do that and more with any synth

You know, the WaveStation plugin can do everything the M1 plugin can (and even sound the same) and more

, and you didn't understand what the "wave sequencing" part of it means exactly

. I can say that Rhino does remind me very much of some great hardware synths (which I use), sound-wise, so it's no surprise that I like it.

cain wrote:quick question sorry to hijack for a bit where does the serial key go in windows 7 32bit cat find the folder that it say its shoild go in ? help please

I think that it's in C:\Users\<user name>\AppData\Roaming\Big Tick\Rhino

jsp1979 · Post by **jsp1979** » Sat Oct 15, 2011 9:50 pm

androidlove wrote:I tried the demo. It gave errors in MiniHost. It doesn't in Tracktion3. I've never used a synth that has this lag.

Yeah, it doesn't seem to want to work correctly in Minihost. Every time you switch presets you get a pop-up window with errors.

When I ran the synth separately (using the standalone .exe), the first time setup put my ASIO buffer at 4000+ samples. At the time, I, too, couldn't figure out the lag. I didn't realize that had happened, and then I went to use it in my host and had the same lag.

FINALLY, I checked the settings and saw that the soundcard ASIO buffer was really high.

Since I've fixed it back, no lag.

It was good deal at the higher price...and for $20 it's a great deal. I'm a Rhino fan.

Spitfire31 · Post by **Spitfire31** » Sat Oct 15, 2011 10:28 pm

androidlove wrote:i tried wave station. the sounds are weak, and it's about sequencing within the synth. that's a limited way to sequence. a host lets you do that and more with any synth

Oh, wow! Obviously you haven't grasped the principle of Wavestation at all, comparing it to host sequencing which is something completely and utterly different.

And you don't seem to have listened to it either.

Don't bash stuff that you're clueless about.

/Joachim

lotus2035 · Post by **lotus2035** » Sat Oct 15, 2011 10:50 pm

The standalone is very buggy on my system. Plug-in is no problem.

androidlove · Post by **androidlove** » Sun Oct 16, 2011 12:17 am

Spitfire31 wrote:
androidlove wrote:i tried wave station. the sounds are weak, and it's about sequencing within the synth. that's a limited way to sequence. a host lets you do that and more with any synth
Oh, wow! Obviously you haven't grasped the principle of Wavestation at all, comparing it to host sequencing which is something completely and utterly different.

And you don't seem to have listened to it either.

Don't bash stuff that you're clueless about.

/Joachim

i played the rhino and it was plinky and slow to respond. i ditched it. what more do i need to know? i am a consumer. i want my synth to make beautiful sounds for my music right out of the box. it didn't. it doesn't even respond right.

when i tried the wavestation, the presets were rhythmic and the sounds were dull. i'll make my own rhythms. i don't know what magic korg worked into the m1, but it sounds fuller to me.

i don't want to be bothered with mechanisms. i just want beautiful sounds i can use in the songs i write. that's all i'm looking for anymore.

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