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Meffy · Post by **Meffy** » Mon Oct 24, 2011 9:59 pm

Re: Better tone: Agreed, that would be nice. If the thread could focus more on how the music apps that have disappointed could be improved, that would be fine indeed.

Mushy Mushy · Post by **Mushy Mushy** » Mon Oct 24, 2011 9:59 pm

IncarnateX wrote:
Mushy Mushy wrote:@IncarnateX: I will admit my language was a bit over the top. For that I apologise.
However I stand by my opinion and I respect yours.
And after all isn't that what forums are all about, sharing opinions.
Accepted. Then I am all in.

Cheers

BMoore · Post by **BMoore** » Tue Oct 25, 2011 12:23 am

Meffy wrote:In case it wasn't clear earlier, I'll state it explicitly. I consider posting a "let's you and them fight" thread -- such as this one -- to be, if not actual trolling, flamebait, which is very close to trolling.

Now, when the originator of such an inflammatory thread responds to someone else's posts by calling that person a "troll," that tends to confirm my opinion that the thread was intended as flamebait... or perhaps out-and-out trolling.

So Insaniac, once again, to demonstrate that you weren't trying to start trouble, I recommend you drop the personal grief and get back on topic. That's two warnings.

Fighting?! Flamebait?!

That was NOT my intention. But the people you let ramble along makes it into that.
If you can't see the difference in the 'normal' responses to this thread, and the obvious shit stirring, you need to take a second look.
Both my, and all others posting was just fine until the clovn show up. So much for my intention, huh?

Dewaine · Post by **Dewaine** » Tue Oct 25, 2011 1:33 am

As a long time member of KVR I really fail to see how asking what apps we iPhone/iPad users regret buying is flame bait. I thought it was a good idea for a thread. Perhaps all question should be run past mods to see if they approve before posting.....

But... it does fascinate me that people who find mobile music making useless hang out and post on the "mobile apps and hardware" forum. Used to be that is the behavior that would be considered "trolling" or "flame bait", not posting a question to mobile users.

Meffy · Post by **Meffy** » Tue Oct 25, 2011 1:35 am

@Dewaine: Every thread I can remember on the topic of "post all the stuff you don't like" has turned to flames. That's a lot of threads. This one did too, as I foresaw. I'm hoping the thread can take a positive turn.

@Insaniac: Your actions tell your intention, so better make them show your intentions were good. In other words: Back on topic. Now.

trimph1 · Post by **trimph1** » Tue Oct 25, 2011 2:12 am

Quite frankly I have yet to come across any program that I have been really frustrated about. But I have been rather disappointed with a few..but they generally were not music oriented apps.

FrankT · Post by **FrankT** » Tue Oct 25, 2011 3:49 am

Prerequisite for me for using Ipad apps is that they actually are Ipad apps. Iphone apps sold for Ipad dont get much love, i.e.IMaschine etc. So universal apps are a must!

IncarnateX · Post by **IncarnateX** » Tue Oct 25, 2011 5:48 am

Some regrets can not be avoided, namely those due to the raving development. Some of the groovebox apps I bought in january, I already consider quite outdated with respect to feature and sound standards. Thus, I am not sure I would buy apps like Xenon and Bleep!Box today.

Suffering heavily from GAS, it is also important to me that I have as few regrets as possible and here I have some standards that minimize the chance of failure:

1. I make sure I like the app' s sound by checking out videos and audio demos - as many as possible
2. I make sure the apps support copy-and-paste, which is a must if you want to use the apps together
3. From this point as many of the following features as possible will decrease the chance of error significantly:
Background audio, Virtual midi, arp or stepsequenser , loopplayer.

Finally I have a trick, if I regret anyway. Namely to make some music with the ones you regret. Thus I really regret buying Bleep!box in the beginning but after forcing my self to make a tune based on it, my view changed entirely.

Hope some of you can find inspiration in this to make your own standards in the quest of avoiding regrets.

Cheers again

distraub · Post by **distraub** » Wed Oct 26, 2011 11:15 am

I thought I would chime in, there are few apps I regret buying, really they are so cheap that even if you use one sound out of them, then they were worth it. Then comes along an app like Animoog for $1, and it sounds better than most things I have in my studio.

As for iOS being a toy, or not being able to get real tracks out of it...
Here is my latest track, made in Nanostudio, I sampled Sunrizer, and Animoog, and the rest is Nanostudio, now I know it might not be the genre you like, but comparing it to my work in my studio, there is very little difference, and it actually, production quality-wise sounds as good or better than anything I have made in the studio.

I mixed it down completely in Nanostudio, and mastered it in T-Racks, and Wavlab.

http://snd.sc/tE55W4

-distraub

~Pd~ · Post by **~Pd~** » Wed Oct 26, 2011 12:38 pm

IncarnateX wrote:Finally I have a trick, if I regret anyway. Namely to make some music with the ones you regret.

That's good advice. Last night I was deleting garbage apps off my pad and rediscovered SynthX. I was annoyed with it earlier because it crackled with more than four voices. Now, perhaps because of iOS 5, it works great with 6 voices. I'd been auditioning virtual analog VSTs to use in a track and getting frustrated because they all sounded so samey to my ears. Now I think I'll end up using SynthX which is really meaty. Great filter and distinctive character. It stands out.

Dewaine · Post by **Dewaine** » Wed Oct 26, 2011 4:06 pm

@ distraub

Nice! I am not a huge trance fan, but nice track

Let those that wish cling to their 80's putty colored PC's..... but technology is changing. In 10 years it would not be a surprise to me at all if desktop computers are dead, except for business. There are new and better ways of interacting with technology. Using my iPad is a much more organic experience than using a desktop ever was.

I remember when CD's came out. There were many that said they would not catch on because they didn't have that "sound" that an LP record had. I remember when DVD's came out, most said they were useless because you couldn't record them like a VHS tape.

I remember when computers started being used for music. Many said that to make real music you had to use real instruments. They had such a narrow vision that they could not see that anything a person uses to make music, is a real instrument. And so it continues today, but eventually, they get it.

BERFAB · Post by **BERFAB** » Wed Oct 26, 2011 5:45 pm

Dewaine wrote:As a long time member of KVR I really fail to see how asking what apps we iPhone/iPad users regret buying is flame bait. I thought it was a good idea for a thread. Perhaps all question should be run past mods to see if they approve before posting.....

But... it does fascinate me that people who find mobile music making useless hang out and post on the "mobile apps and hardware" forum. Used to be that is the behavior that would be considered "trolling" or "flame bait", not posting a question to mobile users.

I may fall into that last category, but I take exception to your conclusion. I'm a longtime home studio musician and I own a lot of .vst/.vsti. Many of the devs that I respect are turning their products into apps and, for just a couple of bucks, I can check them out for myself. It is, after all, a very young art, not unlike computer music production in the late '90's.

But like the early days of computer music production, IMHO, apps still have a long way to go to be truly useful to me in a serious production environment. I am VERY interested in it, just as I, like others, have an endless fascination with the latest in digital hosts, plugs and related gear. I just don't have a real use for them yet in my workflow.

Thus, I 'hang out' in this, and other forums on KVR to see what's interesting and new, and, occasionally, to throw in my 2 cents.

Cheers
-B

polaris20 · Post by **polaris20** » Wed Oct 26, 2011 6:26 pm

Mushy Mushy wrote:
Insaniac wrote:
Mushy Mushy wrote:
Insaniac wrote:Amazing...
What's 'serious' music?
Something i'd be proud to have my name associated with.
I'm thinking that has to do with skills then, and not the tool in this case.
Do you even own an iPad?
Yes Columbo I do.
So explain the Gorillaz then. Incredibly talented, incredibly famous. Album made on an iPad and its fvcking sh!t.

There is a ton more processing power and recording capability in the iPad than there was available just 10-15 years ago, and yet you say it's not useful for audio production? Really?

I guess you didn't start making music at home until recently?

Giving one anecdotal example of one shitty band does not a conclusive conclusion make.

Dewaine · Post by **Dewaine** » Wed Oct 26, 2011 7:34 pm

BERFAB wrote:
Dewaine wrote:As a long time member of KVR I really fail to see how asking what apps we iPhone/iPad users regret buying is flame bait. I thought it was a good idea for a thread. Perhaps all question should be run past mods to see if they approve before posting.....

But... it does fascinate me that people who find mobile music making useless hang out and post on the "mobile apps and hardware" forum. Used to be that is the behavior that would be considered "trolling" or "flame bait", not posting a question to mobile users.
I may fall into that last category, but I take exception to your conclusion. I'm a longtime home studio musician and I own a lot of .vst/.vsti. Many of the devs that I respect are turning their products into apps and, for just a couple of bucks, I can check them out for myself. It is, after all, a very young art, not unlike computer music production in the late '90's.

But like the early days of computer music production, IMHO, apps still have a long way to go to be truly useful to me in a serious production environment. I am VERY interested in it, just as I, like others, have an endless fascination with the latest in digital hosts, plugs and related gear. I just don't have a real use for them yet in my workflow.

Thus, I 'hang out' in this, and other forums on KVR to see what's interesting and new, and, occasionally, to throw in my 2 cents.

Cheers
-B

But that is quite a bit different than what you said in your first post

"Mushy Mushy wrote:
All of them. Seriously they're all sh!t for any serious music.
FL Studio is the best ....

My sentiment exactly. I really can't imagine the situation where I would have to use my phone to bump out a track. I thought it would be fun to try, but there's really nothing productive that comes out of it.

Frankly, the best music apps for me are the recorders that allow pretty clear recording of voice, guitar, etc., when inspiration strikes. I'll take a lick or two from my guitar noodling and throw it into a full blown track on Cubase every once in a while.

Cheers
-B"
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As you say in your second post it's IMHO.... and thats cool....but to say "My sentiment exactly" to "THey're all shit for an serious music" is quite a different thing...

Anyway, the point of this thread is listing apps that you regret buying.... and as I said before, I actually find the thread useful. It has helped me already say "no" to potential app purchases. And I hate to say it but...... I regret buying Korg iMS 20, and iElectribe. They are both amazing programs, and work flawlessly.... but I just don't use them and deleted them ages ago.....

IncarnateX · Post by **IncarnateX** » Wed Oct 26, 2011 7:56 pm

Guys, we are going OT again. The thread is about regrets, not whether the iPad is fit for music. There are already produced hundreds of i-tunes, just visit the Dev forums and the sound cloud groups. These artists are not going to stop producing because some random guys at random forums drop by to tell the iPad ain' t worth shit.

I rather read these statements like "the iPad does not fulfill my particular needs for music production" than "to all people at all times in all possible worlds the iPad can not be used for music production". Having this interpretation in mind, the statements are ok but they do not take the topic anywhere. Now we have heard the sceptics' opinions, lets go back to the topic: Our regrets (and how to deal with them).

Cheer Up

Music apps you regret buying (iPad,iPhone)