One-Synth-Challenge 33: Charlatan - Submissions and gossip

[IrionDaRonin]

But it's still a modulation effect which would be against the rules, and not fair to others who resisted using them. If it wasn't commented on before, it was only because I missed it, nothing else. I knew you used ET-301 delay before, but you said you didn't use the modulation part of it.

Using the synth to create modulation effect is of course highly encouraged, squeezing as much as possible from the synth itself is what it's all about.

There is a modulation knob in ET301 which i never used, i meant that.

I just "modulated" (i don't know another word to express it) the filtered echoes, i mean, each-tap echo sounds more highpassed or more lowpassed filtered in the next tap. You can do this manually with EQs and automations.
The same i made with MG TempoDelay.
Why i used some same types of effects? (three different delays in this case) Just because i made nice presets with them which works nice to my ears.
Why i used different compressors/limiters, the same reason.
Why i used different reverbs, the same reason.

And in this case, i did the same with Valhalla FreqEchoMK1. But no chorus effect or whatever.

Once again, i have no problem in deleting the track.
Just tell me and i will.

Have a good day.

[gigue07]

"Once again, i have no problem in deleting the track".

No oo oo ....... Don't delete.
As long as you use freeware, it is OK with me. But of the course, it is just my opinion, and I am not the decision maker.

g7

[IrionDaRonin]

"Once again, i have no problem in deleting the track".

No oo oo ....... Don't delete.
As long as you use freeware, it is OK with me. But of the course, it is just my opinion, and I am not the decision maker.

g7

Thanks but, well Gigue, it is not only about that is freeware, also, it is i didn't use any kind of chorus or flanging sound in my track ( in fact i don't like chorus or flange effects), or changing the direct output from Charlatan.

There is people who uses for example, saturation (which is a kind of distortion) and i have no problem with that.
If there is any kind of weird modulated sound/noise in my track it's just the built-in ring modulator.

And the fact i couldn't fix and re-upload the track it's just because i have no time, i'm making my Music Cafe votes today and i'm also burned about music this month, to be clever.

But people/Vger will decide if i'm "modulating/changing" too much the sound from Charlatan.

And be aware, i'm not going to get angry if i must delete my track. So don't worry for it.

People rules. OSC rules.

Have a good day

Now i will continue with my things.

[V'ger]

I agree rules should be as simple as possible and have even challenged the modulation rule when Tattiemannie was in charge, but never brought the topic up later.

But whether or not to have a rule about modulation effects is for another discussion, it's here for this competition and the question is really just if ValhallaFreqEcho is a modulation effect, and the more I look at it, the more I think it definitely is.

But please don't delete the track Irion, just remove the effect and render again. Should only take about 5 minutes, surely you have time for that.

[Kalee]

Hi,

Managed to finish my dance track .

Kalee - Bystander

16 Charlatans were used
Loudmax in master channel and some tracks
Sound delay in some quantized drum tracks
DensityMK2 in kick drum track and bass track
Pancake autopanning plugin in 2nd hihat track
Tal Dub III delay, Tal Reverb III and epicverb in alot of tracks

ReaEQ was also used, but I think its ok as its in the cockos plugin pack.

Please say if something is not ok, so I have time to fix.

[IrionDaRonin]

I agree rules should be as simple as possible and have even challenged the modulation rule when Tattiemannie was in charge, but never brought the topic up later.

But whether or not to have a rule about modulation effects is for another discussion, it's here for this competition and the question is really just if ValhallaFreqEcho is a modulation effect, and the more I look at it, the more I think it definitely is.

But please don't delete the track Irion, just remove the effect and render again. Should only take about 5 minutes, surely you have time for that.

Thanks for reply.

At the momenth, i deleted it from the group until i "fix" it, i will try to do it before the deadline, maybe.

It's not only to deactivate the delay thing in each channel, also i need to change it for another one or won't sound the same, remember my "pro" presets which i'm accustomed to use them. And recreate automations for the delay taps, etc.

Also and anyway, i will take advantage of it for changing some things i didn't like at last in the ending of the track.

So, maybe i will fix the track in a couple of days when i have more time.
Sincerelly, i'm upset this month about watching automation clips, patterns and colours in a dark background and a line reading all them, lol.
10 tracks is too much for me.

Anyway, maybe we should start in November a sheet with available free stuff allowed in OSC, and we could starting use it at beginning of the year. What do you think? Too much work?

See you all in a couple of days.

Have a good day.

[V'ger]

Cheers, didn't realize you had done manual automations for the taps but hopefully it will work to just copy them over to the new one. Hope you make it in time.

Making a list of ok freeware effect will be a HUGE job with some always forgotten or not known, so maybe better to list those that are not ok or likely to cause doubt like FreqEcho?

Or even have the discussion whether to make all legal as long as it's free?

We could of course also make a shortlist of top rated or recommended stuff so newcomers don't have to try them all, but looking at the entries, people use so many different things anyway. Let's see.

And cheers for the entry Kalee, looks A-ok from here, ReaEQ is like you say a free-and-easily-available-to-all plugin.

[Kalee]

We could of course also make a shortlist of top rated or recommended stuff so newcomers don't have to try them all, but looking at the entries, people use so many different things anyway. Let's see.

Hm,

I think this is good option. I think people can adapt. Every month this competition uses different synthesizer which some may have never tried, or only tested for a short time, but never really used. And this also doesn't leave room for guessing what effects don't follow rules.

[Bjulin]

Here we go again!

Put I have put out all of the Tonebooster VSTs

Bjulin - Peace

15 Instances of Charlatan in Studio One

FX:

Kjaerhus Classic EQ
Kjaerhus Classic Compressor
Kjaerhus Classic MasterLimiter
AraldFX StormGate
Dasample GlaceVerb
mg TempoDelay
Melda Free Phaser
Melda Free Autopan
Melda Free Compressor
KR-Reverb FS
BigTick Hexaline
STW-Audio Reflex Free

Good luck to everyone and have a nice day!

[V'ger]

Melda Free Phaser

From the rules:

External effects: Allowed but must be freeware and easily available to all. This means none of the DAW's effects can be used. Modulation effects like chorus, phaser, flanger etc or effects that transform the sounds to make them unrecognizable as being from the synth are not allowed. (ANY kind of effect already IN the synth can of course be used freely)

STW-Audio Reflex Free

Like FreqEcho this seems to basically be a modulation effect with a delay, so best to replace it with a standard delay unit.

Sorry to have to be the bad cop lately, but I'm sure you all understand. Still some days to go so hope you get time to replace those.

[Bjulin]

Melda Free Phaser

From the rules:

External effects: Allowed but must be freeware and easily available to all. This means none of the DAW's effects can be used. Modulation effects like chorus, phaser, flanger etc or effects that transform the sounds to make them unrecognizable as being from the synth are not allowed. (ANY kind of effect already IN the synth can of course be used freely)

STW-Audio Reflex Free

Like FreqEcho this seems to basically be a modulation effect with a delay, so best to replace it with a standard delay unit.

Sorry to have to be the bad cop lately, but I'm sure you all understand. Still some days to go so hope you get time to replace those.

Since this is the first time, I'm joining this competition, I've got no problem with changing stuff!
Well, that Phaser is practically not to hear, so it's not a big thing... but what I dont understand is, that Reflex doesn't do anything than widening the sound by adding reverb and delay? Anyway, I'm gonna change that!

[V'ger]

Yes but like FreqEcho, the modulation effect seems to be present even if its control amount is set to minimum, it's part of the circuitry and can't be bypassed completely.

REFLEX free is capable of generating huge spaces, short rooms, or chorus like modulations through a cascade of regenerating delays. It's sound is a mixture of straight stereo delays followed by a dense cloud of reflections. It achieves a huge and spacey wideness with a decent amount of the two modulation sources.

[Kalee]

Hi,

Re-uploaded my track, fixed snare that I had copied same amp env setting from bassdrum somehow, and toned bass sounds abit down.

[andjac1963]

Finally got round to uploading a remix of my track, retained pretty much all of the original but tried to make it more interesting, ah well it is a learning curve.

Charlotte Anne - Final

Host: Ableton Live 8.1
Instances of Charlatan used: 18
Effects:
epicVerb
FerrcTDS
EasyQ
mgTempoDelay
MCompressor
MEqualizer
Kjaerhus Classic Compressor
Kjaerhus Classic Reverb
Kjaerhus Classic Delay
Density MKII
MLimiter
TAL Dub 2

I experimented with a number of effects and am amazed at the quality of freeware stuff out there. Still to play with the Reaper stuff, maybe next month.

Cheers
Aj

PS for anyone who can get hold of Computer Music magazine they are giving away Z3TA+ for nowt!

[SJMmusic]

Hello everybody,

I had little time this month, but one evening I just had to try out that melody that had been lingering in my head for days (and which I definitely want to use in a "regular" track someday).
Soon interrupted I couldn't get more than a minute down, so I left it there for a few days until today I realized the month was coming to an end! So I wrapped the track up and although it is short and simple, I decided to submit it, for the important element - the melody - was in it and the end is hopefully not too abrupt


SJMmusic - The Boat (Charlatan Solo)

Effects used:

• Charlatan (12x)
• ReaEQ (10x)
• Reverberate LE (8x)
• Kjaerhus Classic Delay (6x)
• Free Haas-Mono/Stereo Delay (2x)
• Kjaerhus Classic Compressor (1x)
• Ambience (1x)

Master Effects:

• Kjaerhus Classic Compressor
• TLs Pocket Limiter