NUSofting - Entity.

[Dr. Nyquist]

He's working with the guy who did Nexsyn and says its based on that, with additions and improvements.

yeah, but it's not that simple I think. To me they took features away and stripped NexSyn down.


edited because it's none of my business anymore.

[whyterabbyt]

edited because it's none of my business anymore.

and not because you made libellous accusations against two developers? interesting.

[Dr. Nyquist]

edited because it's none of my business anymore.

and not because you made libellous accusations against two developers? interesting.

No, I was stating an opinion, not making libelous statements. Should I re-post what I wrote? Looking at my comment, there is no defamation towards the developers at all.

Woud you like to explain yourself?

[Dr. Nyquist]

edited because it's none of my business anymore.

and not because you made libellous accusations against two developers? interesting.

On second thought, rather than a hollow explanation of self-righteous blather like I'm used to reading from you, I'd rather know what you think of Entity, whyterabbyt. Do you think it sounds good? Do you like the filters? Do I need to recall all the things you hated about NexSyn and see if they apply to Entity?

[whyterabbyt]

edited because it's none of my business anymore.

and not because you made libellous accusations against two developers? interesting.

No, I was stating an opinion, not making libelous statements. Should I re-post what I wrote? Looking at my comment, there is no defamation towards the developers at all.

Woud you like to explain yourself?

Your statement that the physically modelled oscillators in Entity were in fact based on 'samples from Big Fish Audio', when that would be a breach of BFA's copyright, would indeed be defamation.
Its not as though NuSofting hasnt spent six or seven years doing physical modelling, after all.

Your statement that, effectively, Liqih was lying when he said

Be sure that Entity sounds nothing like nexSyn, it doesn't share any DSP with it except the Reverb and one Osc written by Michael.

is also libelous.

Opinion is not exempt from being libel where you reside.

"However, some jurisdictions decline to recognize any legal distinction between fact and opinion. The United States Supreme Court, in particular, has ruled that the First Amendment does not require recognition of an opinion privilege.[17]"

[whyterabbyt]

Do I need to recall all the things you hated about NexSyn

You certainly do need to. Please list them right here.

[Meffy]

No, please don't. It would be a shame if this thread got derailed into a hate-fest about some other synth or an interpersonal squabble. If that happened I'd probably split the off-topic posts to a separate thread.

[whyterabbyt]

No, please don't. It would be a shame if this thread got derailed into a hate-fest about some other synth or an interpersonal squabble. If that happened I'd probably split the off-topic posts to a separate thread.

Sorry Meffy I should have made it clear. Dr Nyquist, or anyone else for that matter, would be lying through his teeth if he even claimed I'd ever expressed an opinion on NexSyn, let alone what I hated about it.

I make negative comments about gear very rarely. But I just don't have opinions on synths Ive never installed or used, funnily enough. Ive never even tried the demo of NexSyn, so the implication that I have some sort of 'hate' of specific features of NexSyn, markedly enough that he can recall it, is inherently suspect.

But then I'd just pointed out that he'd accused two developers of copyright theft. There's obviously a motive in making it look as though I have some sort of strange prior agenda.

[Meffy]

Understood. He also deleted the accusation after thinking better of it. Seems to me that was the right decision.

[Dr. Nyquist]

Just out of curiosity, I wanted to see if Entity opens NexSyn files.

It does.

If you change the preset file name from xxx.k2spreset to xxx.entpreset, Entity will open it, with all settings (at first glance) exact.

This was tested with a NexSyn preset that contained an XWM file for Osc. 2.

In Entity, the OSC 2 module (that held the XWM file in the NexSyn preset) is blacked out, the module settings are exact, but it sounds like there's a sine wave in place of the XWM file.

A simple playback test of NexSyn preset (replacing the XWM in OSC 2 with a Sine wave) and the Entity preset sound very much alike (when pluggin in a sine wave in NexSyn for OSC 2).

The name of the preset and the preset comments from the NexSyn preset are not displayed in Entity.

Here's some screenshots*:





*Entity AU is hosted in Numerology Pro.

[botkiller]

I'm not here to start smack, but... I gotta say, guys - this is a bit fishy - you don't think so?

We all know that there's plenty of k2s and koblo hate 'round these parts. Even the Dev. has acknowledged that. I was on the receiving end of a lot of that hate for the better part of two years.

What Nyquist points out is valid, regardless of personal feelings on the matter. If it looks and sounds like a Duck, it's a duck. The synth looks like NexSyn. It sounds like it. It opens NexSyn presets (hmmm...). Is it NexSyn? Not superficially. But it's already been said here (by the dev) that NexSyn was the template in some way. Be upset about this as much as you want, but this looks like a re-skinning of NexSyn to me, so yeah, the question of who owns what IS something worth bringing up, sorry. That's how it works in business. Are we supposed to say that it's ok for a synth to be so alike in features because so many people hated the previous synth, and the company went under? Sorry, that's not how it works.

If this were a synth that looked just like a Rob Papen synth, or like Reason, you guys would call it out like crazy and cry foul, right? But because Koblo ended in a bad way, we don't call out things like this? Meh.

It's neither here nor there to me, nor Nyquist (I would imagine) - neither of us owns any interest in k2s or Koblo anymore. But, I think it's fair for Nyquist to bring up these questions.

YMMV.

[Dr. Nyquist]

I'm not here to start smack, but... I gotta say, guys - this is a bit fishy - you don't think so?

We all know that there's plenty of k2s and koblo hate 'round these parts. Even the Dev. has acknowledged that. I was on the receiving end of a lot of that hate for the better part of two years.

What Nyquist points out is valid, regardless of personal feelings on the matter. If it looks and sounds like a Duck, it's a duck. The synth looks like NexSyn. It sounds like it. It opens NexSyn presets (hmmm...). Is it NexSyn? Not superficially. But it's already been said here (by the dev) that NexSyn was the template in some way. Be upset about this as much as you want, but this looks like a re-skinning of NexSyn to me, so yeah, the question of who owns what IS something worth bringing up, sorry. That's how it works in business. Are we supposed to say that it's ok for a synth to be so alike in features because so many people hated the previous synth, and the company went under? Sorry, that's not how it works.

If this were a synth that looked just like a Rob Papen synth, or like Reason, you guys would call it out like crazy and cry foul, right? But because Koblo ended in a bad way, we don't call out things like this? Meh.

It's neither here nor there to me, nor Nyquist (I would imagine) - neither of us owns any interest in k2s or Koblo anymore. But, I think it's fair for Nyquist to bring up these questions.

YMMV.

Thanks Brian for seeing my intention for what it is and always having my back.

[rlahalla]

I'm not here to start smack, but... I gotta say, guys - this is a bit fishy - you don't think so?

No, because it was stated that Michael Olsen is working in collaboration with NUSofting, and Michael Olsen is the one who owns the code to NexSyn, and he has the legal right to do what he pleases with it. Nothing fishy there at all.

[Dr. Nyquist]

And yes, NexSyn will open Entity presets.

The only difference I spot is the Reverb effect module. Seems like NexSyn doesn't import those settings. Strange because I thought the reverb was one of the two things that was the same code-wise.

Be sure that Entity sounds nothing like nexSyn, it doesn't share any DSP with it except the Reverb and one Osc written by Michael.
Yeah they look very similar for the modules and knobs arrangement but that's all about it.

[botkiller]

I'm not here to start smack, but... I gotta say, guys - this is a bit fishy - you don't think so?

No, because it was stated that Michael Olsen is working in collaboration with NUSofting, and Michael Olsen is the one who owns the code to NexSyn, and he has the legal right to do what he pleases with it. Nothing fishy there at all.

Please feel free to show me where it is stated that the code for the synth is owned as such. I would certainly love to see it.