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Boah, i can't understand why you never used CronoX, it's one of LinPlug's best synth, if i had a wish, i want more in this Synth, it's a beast! I want more, more, much more! :D

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I vote for RMV.


I'd like to see a FL studio kinda scrolling through samples with cursor keys.

Up and Down cursor goes through sample bank with auto auditioning sample.

Right cursur repeats the current selected sample with every tap.

Left cursor brings you back to the sample folder location. And from there you can easily go to another folder with Up or Down and right brings you into the desired folder.

Enter puts the current sample to the selected pad.


That sure would speed things up.

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Please, update Octopus and RMV with new features and workflow! You don't need to strip things down to make things better, you all from Linplug are much more capable than that!

Give us Octopus 2, with its extremely advanced addictive and FM synthesis to crush FM8, Toxic Biohazard, Rhino, Blue and all the FM synths out there!

Give us RMV 2, the ultimate drum machine you promised us in the first version! Blow Punch, Geist, BPM, Microtonic, Drumaxx and the other drum machines out there out of the water!

You guys are now experienced developers. You can give us more than just a stripping down of features... You can have more features, yet a better workflow! Can you all do such thing? This is not the LinPlug I know previously...
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-If everyone is doing it, it must be stupid.

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Acer Hyperspace wrote:Give us RMV 2, the ultimate drum machine you promised us in the first version! Blow Punch, Geist, BPM, Microtonic, Drumaxx and the other drum machines out there out of the water!
Not sure there is any interest in updating RMV
Shame really because other than the terrible library sounds and a few usability updates, it could seriously kick ass
As is its a cool instrument but starting to feel a bit dated

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I'd love to see a formant filter added to MorphoX. I noticed there is space below the HP knob.... :)
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gpunk wrote:
Acer Hyperspace wrote:Give us RMV 2, the ultimate drum machine you promised us in the first version! Blow Punch, Geist, BPM, Microtonic, Drumaxx and the other drum machines out there out of the water!
Not sure there is any interest in updating RMV
Shame really because other than the terrible library sounds and a few usability updates, it could seriously kick ass
As is its a cool instrument but starting to feel a bit dated
I must agree the library sounds are really bad. There is only a minority which I like... The interface is extremely cool, though. I like it!

Now, I must have Octopus 2. It being 5 years old, is a little outdated compared to the many FM synths out there. A few feature additions, ease of use improvements and even more out-of-this-world presets would be really great. I needs to compete with the other FM synths out there.

If it can rival the others, it would convince me that LinPlug is dedicated to their products without abandoning it or stripping the features.

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Acer Hyperspace wrote:... it would convince me that LinPlug is dedicated to their products without abandoning it or stripping the features.
I think we all meanwhile got that you dislike the idea :roll:

Thanks for your feedback though!

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Peter from LinPlug wrote:
Acer Hyperspace wrote:... it would convince me that LinPlug is dedicated to their products without abandoning it or stripping the features.
I think we all meanwhile got that you dislike the idea :roll:

Thanks for your feedback though!
Of course I dislike that idea! Downgrading such an excellent product is preposterous!

I need to make sure the products I am going to purchase are still being actively developed, so I know their future is certain, at least for the time being...

Some suggestion: Update the plugins to 64-bit and VST 3.5. My Cubase 6 will love it. Maybe you can increase the oscillator count to 10 for Octopus...? A sort of modular synthesis-style diagram to see the routing of the FM modules visually would help make the synth easier to use too.

You can also include some close cousins of FM synthesis and incorporate them into Octopus, like Phase Distortion and Ring Modulation. You can make the additive synthesis deeper as well. A few more effects like flanging and a phaser won't hurt too.

If you are concerned about it's ease of use, you can also have an "easy mode" to reduce the number of parameters available to something more managable. It will allow beginners like me to start programming quickly, and still have somewhere to mature and grow into!

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I hope it is RMV. I have Alpha and Cronox and am very happy with them, but I cannot get my head around RMV, and yes I have read the manual.

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Acer Hyperspace wrote:... it would convince me that LinPlug is dedicated to their products without abandoning it or stripping the features.

Of course I dislike that idea! Downgrading such an excellent product is preposterous!

I need to make sure the products I am going to purchase are still being actively developed, so I know their future is certain, at least for the time being...
I get your point, and you have a point there. But .... it depends! First of all, the upcomming rework, which includes among some new features also some stripped features IS born from our deep dedication to our products, our customers and what is the link: the useability. Exactly the actively development in this case leads to stripping off features. It sometimes simply makes sense, and you find that in all great products, Mac OSX is an excellent example (no, I dont want to start a Win vs Mac discussion, we do both and both has its place).

I guess there are (if one wants to look at it in such a distinguishing way) two kinds of customers, one wants more more and more and the others want to just use what it does best.

I clearly belong to group two and there are probably a dozen product we used to use for development but skipped at the point where they were developed "to death", that is, they can do much more than they could initially, but somehow mask their strength by growing so big. We apply the same dedication to a certain function to our products; easily we could all the Albino stuff to Alpha ... BUT whats the point ?

Just some talk about what is going on in my head here :wink:

Thanks for reading
Peter

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Oh yes. I understand this way of thinking well.

One way is the pursuit of novelty, and we all like new things, new features, and good ideas. Who doesn't want everything when they need it? Seems like we always need something else too.

How many times have you needed everything?

One way is the pursuit of perfection, that is, having attained design goals and making them work as intended always-- and sometimes in ways that you never intended.

It's not so easy to stay on target.

After awhile a Swiss Army knife just makes you smile-- it looks real cool too. Then there are models aimed at specific activities that once learned and loved create a genuine feeling of loss when you discover the hole in your pocket.

Looking forward to the updates.

Thanks Peter.

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Peter from LinPlug wrote:I get your point, and you have a point there. But .... it depends! First of all, the upcomming rework, which includes among some new features also some stripped features IS born from our deep dedication to our products, our customers and what is the link: the useability.
Alright, now I know that you guys will add new features besides stripping them down. I am perfectly fine with that. I thought you guys are just gonna strip features without having new ones coming in, and by Octopus 5 we will have either nothing but a $129 synth which is far less flexible than a freeware one, or an abandonment of a superb product.

I have high hopes for Octopus 2, especially on the usability/features balancing. Just make sure that Octopus is still the FM equivalent of Albino, not Alpha! Will be eagerly waiting for this! :lol: Just make sure that you don't repeat the same mistake like what happened to RMV. Quite some disappointing presets, bundled stuff and interface quirks. :wink:

I have some suggestion for Octopus 2:
-64-bit and VST 3.5 (for Cubase 6's Note Expression 2)

-Some deeper FM and additive synthesis features, with some cool, original ideas implemented, deeper and more effects and a semi-modular environment. Think modulating another operator/oscillator with a waveform that have been subjected to some effects like chorus or reverb. Cool...
We can even use the final result from our synthesis' waveform to modulate oscillators or be modulated by them. Think modulating a preset with another, up to 8! :wheee:
Or even load our own waveforms (not too sure if the sampler does that) from audio files (like a kick/snare drum, bass, SFX etc. waveform) into an oscillator to modulate/be modulated by oscillators.
Get it? :lol:

-Presets for the Amplitude, Phase and Wave in the Oscillators and a knob for precise control of each partial in the same Amplitude and Phase section (so I don't need to spend a lifetime staring at 1 millimetre-wide partials and clicking and dragging about just trying to get the intended waveform)

-A larger interface, or different skins and sizes (So I won't have to bear looking at the tiny 1 millimetre-wide partials in the Oscillator section described above)

-More unheard-of and mind blowing presets. Tim Conrardy's "Glorious Sun" preset in the Ambient preset section is the main reason I was hooked on this. Maybe he can make some variations of that preset? :D Whatever features you strip, make sure that "Glorious Sun" preset is not compromised, or else... :evil:

I think I gave quite nice ideas, especially the synthesis part. You get that idea from me, free of charge! You make big bucks and get good reviews/recommendations, while I enjoy the features without asking for a penny for copyright or licensing. Awesome win-win situation here! Just implement them before other people who sees this copies it first. I really like my idea, and I hope this gets implemented while still retaining usability :tu:

Thanks for reading my truly long and detailed post. 8)

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Leonardo da Vinci wrote:Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication.

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Thanks for the visit, Tick ;-)

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If CronoX 3.61b is started the very first time on PC, initial preset is not loading (ellipses instead preset name on main page). By default it always was a first .fxp from one of two folders: Demo Sounds or Ambient Sounds. It's not problem to manually set another default preset, but in earlier version 3.5 this was not.

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