KVR Audio

Michael_Olsen · Post by **Michael_Olsen** » Sun Oct 30, 2011 9:45 pm

GJK wrote:tried the demo.. whoa... bugs galore.. using the 64 bit version with windows vista and flstudio 10... upon loading the gui is black until i open and close the wrapper window.. some kind of invalid argument error dialog pops up from flstudio..

I promised to speak about the x64 issues tomorrow, but I guess now is as good a time as any.

In short, do not use the 64-bit version in FLStudio. I am afraid I will have to say that no 64-bit software I have ever made works in FLStudio. I have no idea why.
But luckily, last time I checked the 64-bit part of FLStudio was just a wrapper for a 32-bit application, so actually there were no advantage of using the 64-bit version.

Please correct me if I am wrong: You might as well use the 32-bit version, right?

Edit: For clarification, the 64-bit version works in all other software I have tried, including Reaper and Cubase.

Thanks,

Michael Olsen

ATS · Post by **ATS** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 2:41 am

Michael_Olsen wrote:
GJK wrote:tried the demo.. whoa... bugs galore.. using the 64 bit version with windows vista and flstudio 10... upon loading the gui is black until i open and close the wrapper window.. some kind of invalid argument error dialog pops up from flstudio..
I promised to speak about the x64 issues tomorrow, but I guess now is as good a time as any.

In short, do not use the 64-bit version in FLStudio. I am afraid I will have to say that no 64-bit software I have ever made works in FLStudio. I have no idea why.
But luckily, last time I checked the 64-bit part of FLStudio was just a wrapper for a 32-bit application, so actually there were no advantage of using the 64-bit version.

Please correct me if I am wrong: You might as well use the 32-bit version, right?

Edit: For clarification, the 64-bit version works in all other software I have tried, including Reaper and Cubase.

Thanks,

Michael Olsen

The way I understand the bridge in FL Studio is it does allow you to take advantage of the advantages of 64 bit plugins. Just the host is not 64 bit but the bridge makes the plugins work as 64 bit. So in short there is an advantage to be had.

Michael_Olsen · Post by **Michael_Olsen** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 5:30 am

ATS wrote: The way I understand the bridge in FL Studio is it does allow you to take advantage of the advantages of 64 bit plugins. Just the host is not 64 bit but the bridge makes the plugins work as 64 bit. So in short there is an advantage to be had.

Thanks for the clarification.

The only advantage I see in 64-bit plug-ins over 32-bit plug-ins, is they can use memory larger than 2GB. Entity (and almost all other plug-ins which are not sample players) has no need for anything near that kind of memory.

So, to put it short, you will be better off using the plug-in as a 32-bit plug-in.

Best,

Michael Olsen

liqih · Post by **liqih** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 5:48 am

jensa wrote:
projectdan wrote:
trimph1 wrote:As I am trying to type around my cat here-so there is a demo available now?
Its been available for a few months, along with the synth being on sale.

http://www.nusofting.liqihsynth.com/entity.html
If you know the URL it's easy to find. If you don't, it's a lot harder since it's not linked to from within the website. Might be an idea. Btw, I've already bought it and love it!

The page it's linked from the shop/demo download page
http://nusofting.liqihsynth.com/download.html

anyway I have to complete the Entity page still, <sigh>

botkiller · Post by **botkiller** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 5:49 am

Bridging is NEVER a good idea for true production. It is always buggy, it is never sure to work well. You're much better off not bridging a plugin anytime you can.

Also, Michael, I will indeed "take this offline", but I need to point out one thing - indeed most of the sound design in NexSyn was NOT based off samples. If it was, that was up to the sound designer, but it was not a requirement of using Nexsyn. I know you know this - but others may not. Most patches I designed didn't use XWM sounds, as well as many of the default patches from other designers. FWIW, an Entity preset opened in NexSyn sounds about the same played back in both synths, using only the Oscillators. YMMV.

I won't say anymore, not here. I don't think you and I have a lot to talk about. We didn't when I was one of the main guys in K2S, I doubt we do now. I hope that you and Wolf can work something out. I know Wolf wasn't working to defame anyone here. As I say, had the similarities between these synths not already been raised in other forum posts, I doubt it would have been brought up in such a way here - or if the communication had been better, that would have made a difference. Either way, like I say, talk to you "offline". Thank you for your responses as this thing has gone on (and Luigi, as well).

jens · Post by **jens** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 7:50 am

It's a sad thing that so many people are so misinformed regarding bit-depth. Most people appear to think more is always better and also I witnessed many confusing processing bit-depth and architectural bit-depth with each other. That they now even bridge 64bit plugins in a 32bit host is almost bizarre.

B.t.w.: I never came anywhere near the 3GB border with any of my projects and I highly doubt that this is any different for most of the users who constantly whine about the lack of 64plugins.

Personally I put the blame on Steinaccle.

Spitfire31 · Post by **Spitfire31** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 8:58 am

I really like the impolite, quirky, pseudo acoustic sound of Entity (yes, I bought it early on).

Now I just wait for a pro GUI which will, hopefully, include the ability to browse presets using the arrow keys, like NI FM8 and Absynth, among others.

/Joachim

Michael_Olsen · Post by **Michael_Olsen** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 9:08 am

Spitfire31 wrote:I really like the impolite, quirky, pseudo acoustic sound of Entity (yes, I bought it early on).

Now I just wait for a pro GUI which will, hopefully, include the ability to browse presets using the arrow keys, like NI FM8 and Absynth, among others.

/Joachim

I am glad you like it.

I honestly think using the arrow keys might interfere with host keyboard. Some hosts might use it to control playback for example, or select tracks or what not.

There will, however, in the next version be mouse scroll wheel support, which should make browsing much much easier.
(Note: Scroll wheel support will not be available on Windows XP, due to a known bug in that particular OS. It is available in other Windows versions and on OSX).

Best,

Michael Olsen

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:43 am

jens wrote:It's a sad thing that so many people are so misinformed regarding bit-depth. Most people appear to think more is always better and also I witnessed many confusing processing bit-depth and architectural bit-depth with each other. That they now even bridge 64bit plugins in a 32bit host is almost bizarre.

B.t.w.: I never came anywhere near the 3GB border with any of my projects and I highly doubt that this is any different for most of the users who constantly whine about the lack of 64plugins.

Personally I put the blame on Steinaccle.

Wow that's twice in a week that I've agreed with you on a subject. Well said. I think the misconception that 64 bit plugins are "twice as good as" 32 bit plugins is common.......

Anyway NexSyn was the absolute worst synth I ever had the misfortune of spending money on and I can't see anyone wanting to use one bit of it's code. Not even a brilliant sound designer like Frank Genus could make NexSyn sound good....it was in short pathetic. I haven't tried Entity yet and probably won't but let's hope it sounds nothing like Nexsyn.......

GJK · Post by **GJK** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:43 am

jens wrote:It's a sad thing that so many people are so misinformed regarding bit-depth. Most people appear to think more is always better and also I witnessed many confusing processing bit-depth and architectural bit-depth with each other. That they now even bridge 64bit plugins in a 32bit host is almost bizarre.

B.t.w.: I never came anywhere near the 3GB border with any of my projects and I highly doubt that this is any different for most of the users who constantly whine about the lack of 64plugins.

Personally I put the blame on Steinaccle.

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Simply chose the option that applied to my system.. Now that I've been made to understand why It was silly of me to have chosen an option that was made available, maybe the website could include a note so other flstudio users don't waste time with the wrong installer.

Michael_Olsen · Post by **Michael_Olsen** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 11:22 am

GJK wrote:
jens wrote:It's a sad thing that so many people are so misinformed regarding bit-depth. Most people appear to think more is always better and also I witnessed many confusing processing bit-depth and architectural bit-depth with each other. That they now even bridge 64bit plugins in a 32bit host is almost bizarre. :shock: :help:

B.t.w.: I never came anywhere near the 3GB border with any of my projects and I highly doubt that this is any different for most of the users who constantly whine about the lack of 64plugins.

Personally I put the blame on Steinaccle.
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Simply chose the option that applied to my system.. Now that I've been made to understand why It was silly of me to have chosen an option that was made available, maybe the website could include a note so other flstudio users don't waste time with the wrong installer.

That could make sense. I will talk to Luigi about it.

Thanks,

Michael Olsen

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Tue Jan 27, 2015 11:55 am

3 years later, and Entity is still listed at introductory price US$ 48.00 on the website?

Is it still in development, not finally released?

Customers who buy this first release will receive a free update to the full product package in a few months.

Interface looks good though, hands on

U-o · Post by **U-o** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 3:26 pm

It seems, project is dead!

liqih · Post by **liqih** » Sun Feb 18, 2018 5:51 am

Numanoid wrote:3 years later, and Entity is still listed at introductory price US$ 48.00 on the website?

Is it still in development, not finally released?

Customers who buy this first release will receive a free update to the full product package in a few months.

Interface looks good though, hands on

The page was already NLA, but thanks for reminding me to update the KVR database.

BTW few NUSofting updates the past year because I'm working on two new synths, no small things, <grin>

Russell Grand · Post by **Russell Grand** » Sun Feb 18, 2018 6:04 am

It's a shame this plug is dead in the water. Would've loved to have tried it.

NUSofting - Entity.