About Muzys...

[Exit Zero]

Jo should "grow up"? Maybe you haters should grow up...

HATE!!?

If you have followed this forum very long at all, you would know that I am one of Muzys' biggest supporters and evangelists. I ***love*** Muzys and that is why I am so furious.

And yes, I'm contradicting myself royally here, because this is really getting stupid. I have tried to put a positive light on all the totally insane situations, such as the shop being closed. Ok, lets just forget about that one...

It's the total lack of communication on Jo's part in the last half year that is unexcusable. It's not hate, man - it's the facts. You don't run a business this way if you want to keep (let alone attract - what a joke) customers to your product.

Who would in their right mind, just ignore that a well to do magazine (Computer Music) is touting thier product FOR FREE?
...FOR MONTHS ON END!!!! ...WHAT AN IDIOT!!!!!! Who would be so blantantly stupid?? I'm sure all the big companies who are paying for their advertisements are just laughing out loud.

Jo, I hope you are real pissed at my statements and you get back in this forum and explain what the f**k is really going on.

I'll say it again - grow up.

~Mark Kunoff

[meister eder]

Would everyone please CHILL OUT!!

Geez. All this bitterness because your free software isn't good enough for you.

Excuse me? I paid good money for Muzys3.

Well, OK, I can understand people's frustration, but some of the bile here is getting a bit out of hand.

You're absolutely right, I agree with you that something must have gotten out of hand when a developer announces that he'll take some months off his support list to work on the OSX version and "other projects", then comes back after half a year to report in two short emails that over all those months he was discussing with his friends and his relatives about what a fantastic software Muzys is, but that he hasn't really come to a conclusion yet how to further develop the software.

[skybax]

As for him being too seceretive, since when does a software developer owe us an explanation of his personal issues?

The last thing I'm interested in is the Jo's personal issues, that's the bloody point altogether.

As for what he should do with the code if he decides to discontinue development? That, too, is his prerogetive. He built it. Y'all just use it, and that does NOT give any of us any proprietary claim on him, his time or his software.

So you just expect people to think "well I bought this software and I use it all the time and really love it and well I don't really care what happens to it next". "Hey, we just use it".

riiight.

[AD80]

I cant believe how that guy is treating you loyal Muzys users. Its a fuckin shame. Several months gone and all you get is a maybe. That message said nothing and accomplished nothing. Unreal.

[lepwisk]

Jo should "grow up"? Maybe you haters should grow up...

HATE!!?

If you have followed this forum very long at all, you would know that I am one of Muzys' biggest supporters and evangelists. I ***love*** Muzys and that is why I am so furious.

Fair enough. "Hater" was a dumb term to use. No offence meant. And I do know that your frustration comes from the fact you really enjoy he software. But can we force/cajole/plead the guy to continue? Of course not. He'll do it if he feels it...

Perhaps I'm just a little more fatalistic than many here. Maybe I recognize that some things are gonna end. I've had a feeling about this for a while, as have many others (see all those previous threads, right?). It's why I was wondering about what people were going to do after Muzys. Believe me, I too am terribly dissapointed. But am I surprised? Not really.

But why anger? Is it gonna help your music?

I cant believe how that guy is treating you loyal Muzys users.

How he's treated us? Dude, I've been using this software for years. I've been part of three major beta-testing programs, where my input was factored directly into the final project. I've gotten free upgrades the whole freaken' time, for an original purchase price that was terrifically reasonable from the get-go. Up until recently, I've gotten fantastic technical support, from both the developer and many in the community. How he's treated us? Over all, pretty damn well when you think about it.

So it's over.... A shame. RIP. lk

[skybax]

yeah thanks for the time I was able to spend with Muzys 3. And will spend, to finish a couple of tracks and later play them live for some time...
But (hopefully) I wont be composing another track with Muzys. I love the workflow and everything, but really I'm beginning to realize it's got to go for more important things...

[scam_artist]

lepwisk:

i'm with you there... having also been a beta tester on many versions of Muzys and having experienced the level of support we used to get, I just left dumbfounded!

i dunno how many features I requested with other Muzys users that we saw implemented. people forget that we helped this program become what it did almost as much as Jo did

AD80:
I've owned a copy of tracktion as well for some time so i've seen you posting in the tracktion forums. The midi side of tracktion is to be updated in version 2 I hear? that's the only weak part of tracktion IMO, everything else about tracktion is sweet. Unlimited tracks! Rack filters! Freeze!

I also have energyXT, which will have disk streaming too soon I hear. So I think what I'm saying is I'll be dropping Muzys... but damnit the MIDI support is so good! :p

[perrottjones]

How he's treated us? Over all, pretty damn well when you think about it.

What, and that's bearing in mind the half a year that he kept everyone thinking he was working on an update when really he was "talking about thinking about" an update?? How hard would it have been to post here two months into the "development", tell the truth, and prevent all this bad feeling now?

Anyway, on a more positive note, IF Jo let us have the source (you've still got the source code, haven't you Jo?? ), how many here could/would help with an open source version? I code for living, so I'd be up for it...

[alien_brain]

perhaps jo was paid to withdraw from the market by the big boys? bought out so to speak? what a pity. muzys was a bright star among computer sequencers. made me excited to use it. i was all about the playroom being updated, but as for the rest, it was all great. nothing more you could ask for really...

[AD80]

AD80:
I've owned a copy of tracktion as well for some time so i've seen you posting in the tracktion forums. The midi side of tracktion is to be updated in version 2 I hear? that's the only weak part of tracktion IMO, everything else about tracktion is sweet. Unlimited tracks! Rack filters! Freeze!

I also have energyXT, which will have disk streaming too soon I hear. So I think what I'm saying is I'll be dropping Muzys... but damnit the MIDI support is so good! :p

Yeah the Tracktion midi will get MAJOR improvements in T2. Along with a billion other things probably, you never know what Jules has up his sleeve. Whats funny is Midi is Tracktion's weakest point and I still get more music done with it than anything else. Same goes for Energy XT, Jorgen is developing and adding things to it almost daily.

They're both incredible products but I'm not here promoting Tracktion. I dont care what sequencer you use. Check all of them out and see what fits you. I just stumbled on a Muzyz thread a while back and couldnt believe the developer was leading his customers on for 6 months while they got their hopes up then came back with nothing to say. Thats very unfair to Muzys users.

[tha_man]

Piano roll editor in Tracktion sucks, I can't describe it any other way. Muzys has one of the best piano rolls. But if T2 will have midi editing at the same level as it has audio now, mmmmmm

[skybax]

Tracktion would be an option for me too, I guess...
I tried it once and I love the audio clips for example, but didn't really get inside of the weird interface and the "filters" thing. Also like you say, editing MIDI was kind of a pain in the ass.
Maybe I'll give it a second shot.

[Exit Zero]

I'm looking at Tracktion now too. What specifically is weak about the midi in Tracktion? I got the feeling the piano roll is "good enough" for me.

~M<

[Mr. Slater's Parrot]

What specifically is weak about the midi in Tracktion? I got the feeling the piano roll is "good enough" for me.

For example, one of the great things in Muzys is the "part". You can create a part and reuse instances of it all over the place. If you need to tweak the part, you change it once and all instances get changed automatically. Tracktion doesn't have anything like this. Maybe version 2 will have it -- who knows. There appears to be a lot on the to-do list. Hopefully, it will make the cut.

[scam_artist]

I'm looking at Tracktion now too. What specifically is weak about the midi in Tracktion? I got the feeling the piano roll is "good enough" for me.

~M<

- resizing the piano roll is cumbersome for beginners to tracktion!
- the piano roll is too small, cannot be resized to full screen
- it doesn't have anywhere near the midi editing capabilities of Muzys, like you can't select a whole bunch of notes and change their lengths etc with options like "Absolute", "Procentual" etc
- all the other Muzuys midi features are missing, like Randomize
- drawing midi notes in with the pencil, and resizing them, is cumbersome. the pencil acts as a resizer and mover of notes as well which is SO fiddly

In short, the midi implementation of tracktion is too basic for me. for some it might be good enough, but not for me