indistinguishable from hardware ??

[whyterabbyt]

I'm not against software. But people are fooling themselves, if they think that there is no difference in the sound. Analogues have a different (IMO better) sound.
Learn on free/cheap software, but then do yourself a favor and move to the real thing. Be it guitar amps of synths.

OTOH, if you werent at Berklee, and dont do self-indulgent jazz/classical shite, then its okay to use whatever works for people who actually like music.

[hakey]

Be it guitar amps of synths.

Amp sims were already good enough to fool (real) pro's back in 2009.

http://emusician.com/tutorials/showdown ... ndex3.html

In total, the panelists were able to tell the real amp from the modelers only 38.5 percent of the time. Although this wasn't a huge sample, I think it's fairly safe to conclude that given the right conditions, modelers can sound as good as the amps they emulate.

[S0lo]

Z3ta can sound very close to hardware if you tune it right. Helix has some features that randomly detune sound which gived it as they say "life".

Diversion and Zebra can sound better than vintage hardware. And I know some people would very much disagree with this, but thats what I'm hearing to be honest.

[breakmixer]

I'm not against software. But people are fooling themselves, if they think that there is no difference in the sound. Analogues have a different (IMO better) sound.
Learn on free/cheap software, but then do yourself a favor and move to the real thing. Be it guitar amps of synths.

The Dev's are all working hard to provide analogue sound with plugins as a cheaper alternative to the hardware counterparts, it's there goal. Yes, it may never sound 100% exactly like the real thing but good enough to be useable in a music composition in many different genres and cost alot less.

Many electronic artists(Newcleus for example) from the 80's now use softsynths.

Even if I owned one real analogue synth I would still use the digital hardware and software too, I don't want a studio cramped with gear and leads everywhere, got enough of that already...I want to simply learn to make music, and Virtual gets me the correct sound alot of the time, either emulation or samples.

[whyterabbyt]

What I meant was Berklee musicians vs. Fatboy Slim. Classical, jazz, blues virtuosos vs. DJ's.

You need to maybe do more research on what musicians from Berklee actually wind up playing in the larger reality outside your little head...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_al ... e_of_Music

You know, folk like this plugin-using destroyer-of-threads: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Transeau

[trimph1]

Precisely.

I also like to process the sound I get through my Arp2600 through stomp boxes and/or VST's as well. There are loads of possibilities out here..right now.

[breakmixer]

It is a definition very popular with actual musicians.

Can we see the original statistical analysis then?

edit : and a definition for 'actual'.

actual = people who studied at Berklee. Or taught there. This kind of musicians.

So Julliard and Mills are out then.

So self taught musicians are not 'real' musicians...OK...that gets rid of the Blues then....uuummmmm....

What I meant was Berklee musicians vs. Fatboy Slim. Classical, jazz, blues virtuosos vs. DJ's.

What you mean is Working class self taught music enthusiasts v's middle class who can afford such courses...?

PS Norman Cook(Fatboy Slim) started out as one of the Housemartins band members, not a DJ!

PS I used to DJ, but got fed up with that life and wanted to learn music making instead, I'll never go to Berklee(wherever the f**k that is). I haven't got time nor the money to do that, but one thing for sure, music will always be my hobby - and the more I do it the better I'll get(hopefully )...

[izonin]

What I meant was Berklee musicians vs. Fatboy Slim. Classical, jazz, blues virtuosos vs. DJ's.

You need to maybe do more research on what musicians from Berklee actually wind up playing in the larger reality outside your little head...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_al ... e_of_Music

You know, folk like this plugin-using destroyer-of-threads: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Transeau

I don't talk to people, who don't respect good music.

[lotus2035]

This is the age of wobble bass

...and what a short age it will be.

[musikmachine]

What I meant was Berklee musicians vs. Fatboy Slim. Classical, jazz, blues virtuosos vs. DJ's.

You need to maybe do more research on what musicians from Berklee actually wind up playing in the larger reality outside your little head...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_al ... e_of_Music

You know, folk like this plugin-using destroyer-of-threads: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Transeau

I don't talk to people, who don't respect good music.

So what category does Moby fall into?

[izonin]

I'm not against software. But people are fooling themselves, if they think that there is no difference in the sound. Analogues have a different (IMO better) sound.
Learn on free/cheap software, but then do yourself a favor and move to the real thing. Be it guitar amps of synths.

The Dev's are all working hard to provide analogue sound with plugins as a cheaper alternative to the hardware counterparts, it's there goal. Yes, it may never sound 100% exactly like the real thing but good enough to be useable in a music composition in many different genres and cost alot less.

Many electronic artists(Newcleus for example) from the 80's now use softsynths.

Even if I owned one real analogue synth I would still use the digital hardware and software too, I don't want a studio cramped with gear and leads everywhere, got enough of that already...I want to simply learn to make music, and Virtual gets me the correct sound alot of the time, either emulation or samples.

The thing is, if you're playing in a band, and the guitarist has an amazing PRS and the sax player brings his Selmer, you'll want to be on their level, too. That's when you realize why softsynths can't compare sonically.

[Richard_Synapse]

The Dev's are all working hard to provide analogue sound with plugins as a cheaper alternative to the hardware counterparts, it's there goal. Yes, it may never sound 100% exactly like the real thing but good enough to be useable in a music composition in many different genres and cost alot less.

Many electronic artists(Newcleus for example) from the 80's now use softsynths.

Even if I owned one real analogue synth I would still use the digital hardware and software too, I don't want a studio cramped with gear and leads everywhere, got enough of that already...I want to simply learn to make music, and Virtual gets me the correct sound alot of the time, either emulation or samples.

Agreed. It's also worth pointing out that commercial music in radio, cinema, TV, video games etc is already full of digital sound. In fact I don't remember having listened to anything recently that sounded like 70s / 80s analog stuff. Of course analog mixing consoles used back then add to the difference.

Richard

[hakey]

The thing is, if you're playing in a band, and the guitarist has an amazing PRS and the sax player brings his Selmer, you'll want to be on their level, too. That's when you realize why softsynths can't compare sonically.

What hardware synth can compare with, eg, Zebra?

[izonin]

What I meant was Berklee musicians vs. Fatboy Slim. Classical, jazz, blues virtuosos vs. DJ's.

You need to maybe do more research on what musicians from Berklee actually wind up playing in the larger reality outside your little head...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_al ... e_of_Music

You know, folk like this plugin-using destroyer-of-threads: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Transeau

I don't talk to people, who don't respect good music.

So what category does Moby fall into?

Moby is a hack. Go to youtube.com/mobystuff to see what music he's doing now. I liked his 90's stuff, though.

[izonin]

The thing is, if you're playing in a band, and the guitarist has an amazing PRS and the sax player brings his Selmer, you'll want to be on their level, too. That's when you realize why softsynths can't compare sonically.

What hardware synth can compare with, eg, Zebra?

If they make a hybrid synth like Zebra (digital OSCs, analogue filters), I'm sure that it will sound significantly better.
All software emulations of anologue synths fail miserably.