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whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Thu Nov 03, 2011 12:53 pm

izonin wrote:The thing is, if you're playing in a band, and the guitarist has an amazing PRS and the sax player brings his Selmer, you'll want to be on their level, too.

not if they're shite musicians. or playing jazz.

That's when you realize why softsynths can't compare sonically.

well you couldn't compare the guitar to the sax sonically either, so its a bit of a pointless statement.

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Thu Nov 03, 2011 12:54 pm

izonin wrote:If they make a hybrid synth like Zebra (digital OSCs, analogue filters), I'm sure that it will sound significantly better.

nope, just different.

randyandyvandaman · Post by **randyandyvandaman** » Thu Nov 03, 2011 12:55 pm

A lot of commercial artists are recording in the box but mixing/summing out of the box.

Avicii aka Tim Bergling recently made a hit on Fruity Loops but since he has come into a little bit of money has added some UAD stuff , Rme and Tk AUDIO.

there are obvious benefits from a hybrid system.

Cheers

breakmixer · Post by **breakmixer** » Thu Nov 03, 2011 12:55 pm

izonin wrote:The thing is, if you're playing in a band, and the guitarist has an amazing PRS and the sax player brings his Selmer, you'll want to be on their level, too. That's when you realize why softsynths can't compare sonically.

Most of the audience wouldn't notice the difference if you was playing a lead sound from a softsynth or a real analogue if it was the same patch/sound.

When I recently heard Newcleus live I spotted they was playing a soft synth lead in place of the original analogue synth used on the original recording but the patch was identical sonically, no one in the audience seemed to mind(or even notice)...I only noticed because I own soft synths.

hakey · Post by **hakey** » Thu Nov 03, 2011 12:57 pm

izonin wrote:All software emulations of anologue synths fail miserably.

Your opinion - and I've read enough of your posts to know how much value to give to that.

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Thu Nov 03, 2011 1:02 pm

hakey wrote:
izonin wrote:All software emulations of anologue synths fail miserably.
Your opinion - and I've read enough of your posts to know how much value to give to that.

well, you may have a point. he is the guy who insists physical modelling uses samples after all.

ariston · Post by **ariston** » Thu Nov 03, 2011 1:02 pm

izonin wrote: The thing is, if you're playing in a band, and the guitarist has an amazing PRS and the sax player brings his Selmer, you'll want to be on their level, too. That's when you realize why softsynths can't compare sonically.

I'm sure you're speaking from an impressive backdrop of personal experience with these matters.

izonin · Post by **izonin** » Thu Nov 03, 2011 1:07 pm

hakey wrote:
izonin wrote:All software emulations of analogue synths fail miserably.
Your opinion - and I've read enough of your posts to know how much value to give to that.

Yep, I'm critical about the sound of the instruments I use. I don't see that as an disadvantage.

hakey · Post by **hakey** » Thu Nov 03, 2011 1:11 pm

whyterabbyt wrote: he is the guy who insists physical modelling uses samples after all.

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Thu Nov 03, 2011 1:13 pm

izonin wrote:All software emulations of anologue synths fail miserably.

I agree. Thankfully Zebra doesn't emulate any particular hardware. It simply sounds better that way.

izonin · Post by **izonin** » Thu Nov 03, 2011 1:13 pm

ariston wrote:
izonin wrote: The thing is, if you're playing in a band, and the guitarist has an amazing PRS and the sax player brings his Selmer, you'll want to be on their level, too. That's when you realize why softsynths can't compare sonically.
I'm sure you're speaking from an impressive backdrop of personal experience with these matters.

Yep, the sax player in my band actually plays a Selmer. The softies just don't work in a real musical situation. Except maybe for some ambient pads in the background.

trimph1 · Post by **trimph1** » Thu Nov 03, 2011 1:14 pm

izonin wrote:
breakmixer wrote:
izonin wrote:I'm not against software. But people are fooling themselves, if they think that there is no difference in the sound. Analogues have a different (IMO better) sound.
Learn on free/cheap software, but then do yourself a favor and move to the real thing. Be it guitar amps of synths.
The Dev's are all working hard to provide analogue sound with plugins as a cheaper alternative to the hardware counterparts, it's there goal. Yes, it may never sound 100% exactly like the real thing but good enough to be useable in a music composition in many different genres and cost alot less.

Many electronic artists(Newcleus for example) from the 80's now use softsynths.

Even if I owned one real analogue synth I would still use the digital hardware and software too, I don't want a studio cramped with gear and leads everywhere, got enough of that already...I want to simply learn to make music, and Virtual gets me the correct sound alot of the time, either emulation or samples.
The thing is, if you're playing in a band, and the guitarist has an amazing PRS and the sax player brings his Selmer, you'll want to be on their level, too. That's when you realize why softsynths can't compare sonically.

I don't know about that...

hakey · Post by **hakey** » Thu Nov 03, 2011 1:14 pm

So, I suppose a soft synth would never be used by a multi award winning film composer like, say, Hans Zimmer, him being a real pro n' all?

izonin · Post by **izonin** » Thu Nov 03, 2011 1:16 pm

Urs wrote:
izonin wrote:All software emulations of anologue synths fail miserably.
I agree. Thankfully Zebra doesn't emulate any particular hardware. It simply sounds better that way.

Thank you. Trying to emulate analogues is just the wrong thing to do at the moment. It's much better to create something unique, like you did.

Grain Bastard · Post by **Grain Bastard** » Thu Nov 03, 2011 1:16 pm

izonin wrote:
ariston wrote:
izonin wrote: The thing is, if you're playing in a band, and the guitarist has an amazing PRS and the sax player brings his Selmer, you'll want to be on their level, too. That's when you realize why softsynths can't compare sonically.
I'm sure you're speaking from an impressive backdrop of personal experience with these matters.
Yep, the sax player in my band actually plays a Selmer. The softies just don't work in a real musical situation. Except maybe for some ambient pads in the background.

You got a band website so we can hear this stuff that we are missing?

indistinguishable from hardware ??