indistinguishable from hardware ??

[Peter999]

Here are the files once more. Which of each two is the original and which the VSTi? Should be easy for experts imho.

File 1
File 2

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File 2

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File 2

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File 2


Izonin?

[hakey]

It's not me you have to convince. It's you. I don't think you're there yet.

I'm pretty convinced, thank you.

That confirmation bias can be pretty convincing.

[Gamma-UT]

I'll have a go.

OB-X IMHO is A; A; B; B; A

[Meffy]

It's not me you have to convince. It's you. I don't think you're there yet.

I'm pretty convinced, thank you.

No, it's evident that you're not. If you were convinced you wouldn't keep evading. You'd have the confidence to state your judgement because you would trust it to be accurate.

But I'll demo the software.

No need to do that. Just make good on your claim -- listen to what Peter posted and tell which is which. Are you really so certain you can't? That's the message you're sending by refusing even to try.

[Peter999]

3 votes so far (Gamma-UT, PAK, hakey). Anyone else?
The clips are on top.

[hakey]

I'm just curious to find how many people can't hear the difference.

[hakey]

Anyone else?

Perhaps a certain Gallic sound designer?

[izonin]

It's not me you have to convince. It's you. I don't think you're there yet.

I'm pretty convinced, thank you.

No, it's evident that you're not. If you were convinced you wouldn't keep evading. You'd have the confidence to state your judgement because you would trust it to be accurate.

But I'll demo the software.

No need to do that. Just make good on your claim -- listen to what Peter posted and tell which is which. Are you really so certain you can't? That's the message you're sending by refusing even to try.

The only message I'm sending is that I'm kindly declining Peter999's polite offer to take his test. Anything else is just your interpretation.

[wwjd]

Here is my quick test using Tal-uno-62 vs a real juno 60 Filter decay sample:

Tal-uno:
http://soundcloud.com/sergiofrias/juno- ... lter-decay

Juno 60:
http://soundcloud.com/sergiofrias/juno-filter-decay

I'ved perfectly matched the frequency sweep using a frequency spectrum analyser,by controlling the cutoff and envelope mod in tal uno (start freq:9.69 khz and end freq: 454 Hz)

Somehow,i couldnt match the resonance of the real juno,also theres a little bit of noise in the original sample,i've could add a little bit of white noise,but its ok.

see... now, this is everything. Those two sounds are oh so close enough to each other, that the differnece is non-importance in any mix. Even as a SOLO song, it's close enough to depend on so many other things for it to be good, NOT the tone of the sound. If you are playing notes, and writing music, it is the NOTES and MUSIC that would suck, NOT the sound. If the free software doesn't "fit in the mix", I suggest someone better needs to be sitting at the mixing board. I can make anything fit anywhere.... a 5% (or even 25%) sound difference isn't going to change much when *I* am mixing anyway.

I agree with this in theory...but the real Juno still sounds a good bit better to me. The Tal version sounds good too, but the Juno is juicier and 'realer' sounding. Whether or not it matters really depends on the kind of mix/song. If it's something with a lot of layers and that is just one sound in many, then it probably does not matter. If it something like heavy electro house where the bass is the main sound, then real deal is bound to give the song a better vibe. Assuming nothing ridiculous happens during mixdown/mastering.

I understand what you are saying, but there is a psychological trick side in mixing that not many people grasp or acknoledge: No listeners know what the bass line is supposed to sound like until the song is done. Then THAT is the proper bass line for that song. If I used a real Juno, or just slightly less meaty TAL plug, or choose a completely thin digital sounding bass, the listeners don't know ANY better than the final product. So the Juno is no better than the thin digital bass, just different. Most will never question the song "Boy, that song would sound better with a bigger bass line..." They just listen and enjoy.

Lining up side by side comparos really makes no differnence when the writer or producer can decide to use ANYTHING they want to and THAT is the best choice.
Heck, I EQ'd up a lame DX-21 patch I did once in a tune and got compliments for the great sounding "MOOG BASS" I had going on.
Anything goes.

[wwjd]

With all these A/Bs files here, we are trying to fool people with a trained ear in this type of sound. Tough room. But think of the common listener.... I doubt very many of them at all would even notice ANY Difference.

Doesn't that mean that certain softwares have indeed arrived and is totally close enough? Equal to hardware now?

[Viktor [TUC]]

Uh, I'd love to try!

Hardware synth is: B, B, B, A, A

(okay, just looked back at the other votes, noticed that hakey gave the same answers, and you know what, I think he's as right as me)

[hakey]

Just make good on your claim -- listen to what Peter posted and tell which is which. Are you really so certain you can't? That's the message you're sending by refusing even to try.

The only message I'm sending is that I'm kindly declining Peter999's polite offer to take his test.

I beg to differ.

You may not realise it, but you're sending out a very strong message - to put it politely, you just haven't got the courage of your convictions.

[ariston]

After listening to each sample at least 10 times.... sheesh, I don't have a fekkin' clue. But this is fun, so here are my guesses:

Original: B, B, A, B, B.

"The points are frozen, the beast is dead. What is the difference? What indeed is the point? The point is frozen, the beast is late out of Paddington. The point is taken... The illusion is complete; it is reality, the reality is illusion and the ambiguity is the only truth. But is the truth, as Hitchcock observes, in the box? No there isn't room, the ambiguity has put on weight."
(John Cleese)

I have my preferences after listening, so I'm keen to find out the results.

[hakey]

okay, just looked back at the other votes, noticed that hakey gave the same answers, and you know what, I think he's as right as me

[trimph1]

I'll have a go.

OB-X IMHO is A; A; B; B; A

I got the same idea here..although I've heard just enough of the OB-X that my ears could be playing tricks on me .... seeing as how I'm more of a Minimoog and Arp person here...