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Urs · Post by **Urs** » Mon Nov 07, 2011 12:05 pm

Echoes in the Attic wrote:
Urs wrote: Or you simply wait for Zebra2.6 which will inherit a meticulously modelled transistor ladder filter from Diva

Urs
Cool. Will it be a mode in XMF rather than a whole new module?? I hope so. Since I find the XMFs can do pretty much anything I need in Zebra, I use those for control templates and such, so it's nice when new filter types are added there, rather than the old filter modules or new modules.

cheers

Yep, I had XMF in mind, at least for the "naive" model. As the XMF calculates 4 filters in parallel, it would be overkill to use our delayless feedback modeling technique for that. Unless maybe we make it an option.

I have also planned a new type of filter module much like the state variables in Filterscape, which lets you crossfade between different filter responses. In addition it would have different models (think Ladder, SVF, Sallen-Key). This one would "only" be stereo, so it might get that extra juice.

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Mon Nov 07, 2011 12:08 pm

SVF would rock in Zebra! You think you could add it in 2.6, with all those options? That would likely make me pull the trigger and finally buy Zebra, to get rid of C-E-B-R-A!

PAK · Post by **PAK** » Mon Nov 07, 2011 1:54 pm

Ingonator wrote:After being so stupid to sell a Minimoog Model D (mint condition) back in 2005 and after trying many Moog emulations and other softsynths to get the typical Moog sound i finally ended up purchasing a Moog Slim Phaty rack which is not too expensive (799 Euros).

Hope you didn't pay that, because they're a good 130 euros less over at Digital Village, complete with 4 year warranty (gotta love how they're always trying to "one up" Thomann

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Look forward to trying Diva and really hoping it satisfies on those fronts too, otherwise I'll probably spend the winter holidays with a Slim Phatty seeing if it can do any better. I think it's off to a good start with the GUI, as the layout and colours are easy on the eyes (mine at least). Curious to see what's hiding under the modifications and trimmers tabs on Diva too

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Mon Nov 07, 2011 3:15 pm

PAK wrote:
Ingonator wrote:After being so stupid to sell a Minimoog Model D (mint condition) back in 2005 and after trying many Moog emulations and other softsynths to get the typical Moog sound i finally ended up purchasing a Moog Slim Phaty rack which is not too expensive (799 Euros).
Hope you didn't pay that, because they're a good 130 euros less over at Digital Village, complete with 4 year warranty (gotta love how they're always trying to "one up" Thomann )

Yes, i have paid 799 Euros at my local shop (PPC Music in Hannover, Germany) a few months ago. The price at Digital Village is really great. It's around 116 Euros less at the German Digital village website. If you take the VAT and delivery cost into account the difference is maybe not as huge anymore.

Ingo

PAK · Post by **PAK** » Mon Nov 07, 2011 3:29 pm

Ingonator wrote:If you take the VAT and delivery cost into account the difference is maybe not as huge anymore.

The VAT's already included in that price, and delivery is 10 € to Germany

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Mon Nov 07, 2011 4:39 pm

PAK wrote:
Ingonator wrote:If you take the VAT and delivery cost into account the difference is maybe not as huge anymore.
The VAT's already included in that price, and delivery is 10 € to Germany

So there is almost no excuse now to not get a real Moog then...

Or to buy 5 of them and do a poly-chain:
http://www.moogmusic.com/products/phatt ... #demos-tab

Ingo

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Mon Nov 07, 2011 4:40 pm

Except the new Moogs are a far cry from a real vintage Model D...

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Mon Nov 07, 2011 4:46 pm

EvilDragon wrote:Except the new Moogs are a far cry from a real vintage Model D...

About the Phattys:_ Count in a low price, memory storage, adjustable filter (1-4 poles), continuous waveforms (+ wave morph), arpeggiator, OSc Sync, full ADSR envelopes and additional mod routing (Crossmodulation, S&H) and there you go. Not to forget USB implementation, a auto-tune feature and a editor software.

Last but not least with the adjustable filter overload you could get REALLY fat sounds!!

Ingo

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Mon Nov 07, 2011 4:47 pm

I was talking about the sound, not the features. Sorry for being vague there. The sound is still to my ears inferior to a real Model D... It simply lacks something, some presence, and the charm of the original. It's a lot colder sounding to me.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Mon Nov 07, 2011 4:49 pm

EvilDragon wrote:The sound is still to my ears inferior to a real Model D... It simply lacks something, some presence, and the charm of the original. It's a lot colder sounding to me.

Don't forget the filter overload (=filter drive). This adds lots of "Balls" to the sound of the Phatty.

BTW i have made a bank of 100 presets for the Slim Phatty/Little Phatty. I'll try to do audio demos soon and publish the bank when this is finished.
Currently a few applications for a new "real world" job are running so maybe i'll have less time soon.

Ingo

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Mon Nov 07, 2011 4:53 pm

It's all cool. Different tastes for different people I guess. I say nothing touches THAT character of the original, over 30 years old vintage D, from my experience.

PietW. · Post by **PietW.** » Mon Nov 07, 2011 5:10 pm

Zebra with Arturia compare? What are you doing? Comparing apples and pears?

hakey · Post by **hakey** » Mon Nov 07, 2011 6:19 pm

PietW. wrote:Comparing apples and pears?

Zebras and donkeys?

Lotuzia · Post by **Lotuzia** » Mon Nov 07, 2011 6:24 pm

PietW. wrote:Zebra with Arturia compare? What are you doing? Comparing apples and pears?

indeed

Syncretia · Post by **Syncretia** » Tue Nov 08, 2011 12:40 am

OK, so I downloaded Zebra II last night. My first thoughts are that it's like someone took all the best bits from the NI Komplete package and crammed them in to one very good, easy to use package. I've always said that 1 good semi-modular synth would be better than 100 bits and pieces of synths.

it's quite difficult to program and the interface is confusing IMO.

That couldn't be further form the truth. It might be hard if you are used to hard coded interfaces where you have a limited number of oscillators/filters etc. However, it has a very intuitive approach to modularisation of synth components.

However, I'm a little unimpressed with the lack of analog presets. They may be there, but I found it hard to find them. I had to flick through dozens to find some presets that were analog sounding. But, even then, I couldn't figure out what it was about the particular sound that made it sound analog. I think it was mostly detuning which is great but most digital synths have a detuning option anyway. So, the question is, which presets are analog, and how do you build an analog sound from scratch? I couldn't find anything on this in the manual.

Zebra with Arturia compare? What are you doing? Comparing apples and pears?

Please read the OP carefully. I'm looking for a synth or a set of synths that will cover the majoriy of my analog emulation needs. I was immediately attracted to the Arturia Complete package because it has loads of great analog sounds. However, many people have ushered me toward Zebra II instead because they claim that Zebra II does better analog emulation. So, the comparison is not about the overall features of Arturia Vs. Zebra. It's about how well the two packages fair at emulating analog sounds, and their depth of coverage in the area of analog sounds.

u-He Zebra II Vs Arturia Complete (Analog)