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electro · Post by **electro** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 3:16 pm

Urs wrote:
fmr wrote:Imagine what would have been recreating the circuits of a Prophet-5 AND Phophet VS together down to the transistor level.
The Prophet can easily be done in acceptable quality with 8 voice polyphony, and so can the VS, using our technology.

Do it please so I can give you the money.

izonin · Post by **izonin** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 3:20 pm

fmr wrote:
izonin wrote:To the OP - anything but Arturia! They are toy synths, comparable to NI Pro-52 and ReBirth.
This is "in your opinion", of course. Or do you have some scientific proven data that suports your statement?

I'm just hoping that my advice will make a strong enough impression on Kruddler, and point him in the right direction (away from Arturia). It's difficult to give scientific data without having the actual code.

Sendy · Post by **Sendy** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 3:27 pm

I always chuckle at the whole TAE thing... TOTAL analogue emulation. That implies it's pretty much as good as it can be. It's like that thing where synths sound warmer to the average person if you write "analog" on them.

Korg have a similar thing called CMT, Component Modelling Technology. Despite releasing one of my favourite VA's several years ago, it's a much more modest terminology.

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 3:32 pm

electro wrote:
Urs wrote:
fmr wrote:Imagine what would have been recreating the circuits of a Prophet-5 AND Phophet VS together down to the transistor level.
The Prophet can easily be done in acceptable quality with 8 voice polyphony, and so can the VS, using our technology.
Do it please so I can give you the money.

We "only" have a Pro One which still is in rather bad shape and of course with CEMs rather than SSMs (Rev 2...). I'm keeping an eye open for an affordable Rev2, and then we might get there.

Echoes in the Attic · Post by **Echoes in the Attic** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 3:32 pm

Sendy wrote:I always chuckle at the whole TAE thing... TOTAL analogue emulation. That implies it's pretty much as good as it can be. It's like that thing where synths sound warmer to the average person if you write "analog" on them.

I believe it's True Analog Emulation, no?

Sendy · Post by **Sendy** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 3:52 pm

Echoes in the Attic wrote:
Sendy wrote:I always chuckle at the whole TAE thing... TOTAL analogue emulation. That implies it's pretty much as good as it can be. It's like that thing where synths sound warmer to the average person if you write "analog" on them.
I believe it's True Analog Emulation, no?

That's even worse

hakey · Post by **hakey** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 4:24 pm

izonin wrote:I'm just hoping that my advice will make a strong enough impression

You certainly made a strong impression in this recent thread- is that the kind of effect you're hoping for here?

Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 4:40 pm

izonin wrote:I'm just hoping that my advice will make a strong enough impression on Kruddler, and point him in the right direction (away from Arturia). It's difficult to give scientific data without having the actual code.

This is all still only your opinion. Arturia synths may not be 1:1 accurate but it's pretty widely accepted that they have a specific kind of sound all their own, which the OP likes, and I think it's fair to say that if a person likes one Arturia synth, they're probably going to like them all.

I'm not particularly a fan of the Arturia sound, either, but I had a minor epiphany listening to a bunch of tracks on Beatport and repeatedly thinking to myself "there's an Arturia", "there's an Arturia", "there's an Arturia". It got to a point that I realized Arturia has really distinguished themselves by NOT sounding like the analog synths they model but also NOT sounding like any other analog modeled synths, either, and that their sound is easily discernible even in a full mix. Like it or not, that sound has made its mark on modern music and I guarantee there are lots of musicians in the world looking specifically for it.

Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 4:41 pm

Urs wrote:We "only" have a Pro One which still is in rather bad shape and of course with CEMs rather than SSMs (Rev 2...). I'm keeping an eye open for an affordable Rev2, and then we might get there.

Pro One!!!

Yes, please!!!

izonin · Post by **izonin** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 4:42 pm

hakey wrote:
izonin wrote:I'm just hoping that my advice will make a strong enough impression
You certainly made a strong impression in this recent thread- is that the kind of effect you're hoping for here?

I was very close to proving my point there, but the thread was closed. I even downloaded the Reaktor ensemble, from which the VSTi was ported, and ran some tests on the filter. Everything I said there turned out to be absolutely true.

standalone · Post by **standalone** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 4:45 pm

izonin wrote:
fmr wrote:
izonin wrote:To the OP - anything but Arturia! They are toy synths, comparable to NI Pro-52 and ReBirth.
This is "in your opinion", of course. Or do you have some scientific proven data that suports your statement?
I'm just hoping that my advice will make a strong enough impression on Kruddler, and point him in the right direction (away from Arturia). It's difficult to give scientific data without having the actual code.

I'm just hoping that the synth fascists dissapear from Kvr.

hakey · Post by **hakey** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 4:47 pm

izonin wrote:
hakey wrote:You certainly made a strong impression in this recent thread- is that the kind of effect you're hoping for here?
I was very close to proving my point there, but the thread was closed.

Ah, of course you were...

Gonga · Post by **Gonga** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 4:51 pm

I agree. The MiniV sounds very, very different than even the Minimonsta for example, and for certain minimoog sounds for example, I think it's a lot easier at least to pull out the miniV to get those sounds than using any other VA, and in some cases the miniV will do as good a job as you will find. However, the usefullness is very limited by the artifacting of the sound when you attempt to modulate parameters in real time, and by the unbelieveable CPU hit that the Arturias impart. Since I'm a playing musician, I need to modulate lots of parameters in real time so that my voice sounds like a person playing an instrument rather than a computer, so I've found that the Arturias are pretty much useless to me now that I own ACE, Zebra, Massive and Razor (which of course is not a VA). The only Arturia synth I own that I still enjoy playing is the Arp2600, which for some reason doesn't have as much artifacted sound as the others, though the Jup8 may also be in this category.

izonin · Post by **izonin** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 4:53 pm

hakey wrote:
izonin wrote:
hakey wrote:You certainly made a strong impression in this recent thread- is that the kind of effect you're hoping for here?
I was very close to proving my point there, but the thread was closed.
Ah, of course you were...

Weren't you the one, who guessed all 5 right? If you don't trust me download the ensemble demo and see for yourself.

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 5:47 pm

Uncle E wrote:
Urs wrote:We "only" have a Pro One which still is in rather bad shape and of course with CEMs rather than SSMs (Rev 2...). I'm keeping an eye open for an affordable Rev2, and then we might get there.
Pro One!!!

Yes, please!!!

We'll see... it needs to be fully recapped and cleaned though, and we want to do that ourselves

u-He Zebra II Vs Arturia Complete (Analog)