A NEW FL Studio Performance Mode

[Image-Line]

Looks promising, Its good to see that FLStudio is being actively developed and not just maintained.

You may like to read down this list...I don't think FL Studio has ever stood still...

http://flstudio.image-line.com/documents/history.php

And all for free. Why can't the other guys do that, seriously?

Regards Scott

Lets be fair here hahahaha
I love FLS, but that sir is a bullsh*t statement
Yes it is free lifetime updates but that doesn't mean that other hosts are not updated much more than FLS, they are (Not that i would be without FLS though)

I don't follow your logic. Please show me what is BS about what I said?

The original poster said he was glad FL Studio was being more than 'maintained'. I posted a link to the change-log. FL Studio has had a major revision and several minor ones (on average) every year for the last 12.

However.

What does this have to do with the rate of updates/developments of other DAW software? Which BTW I don't see being developed any faster AND they make you pay. We don't, case closed.

Regards Scott

[Image-Line]

It would be great but it is looking more like marketing directed timed release with regards(simply user asked this for years). ...Madeon started with FL Studio but moved on to Ableton Live because of better live environment

Madeon still produces his music with FL Studio.

BUT who says you have to use only one DAW platform?

FWIW: It is clear to us that some of our customers would like a path from the studio to the stage. We have released Groove Machine and are updating FL Studio real-time performance features.

This is all good as far as I can see, and it will be free.

Why are you so negative about developments that are obviously a win for our customers and show we are actively developing the program in new areas?

Regards Scott

[gpunk]

And all for free. Why can't the other guys do that, seriously?

There's your flawed logic right there
Just because your business model is to push plugins to your userbase (Yes they are mainly great and sometimes the best plugins around) does not mean that other business models are not just as valid

[Image-Line]

And all for free. Why can't the other guys do that, seriously?

There's your flawed logic right there
Just because your business model is to push plugins to your userbase (Yes they are mainly great and sometimes the best plugins around) does not mean that other business models are not just as valid

We don't push plugins on anyone. Customers are free to buy them from anywhere. We support open standards.

So the other DAW software developers don't sell any extra refills, plugins etc?

I don't understand your logic.

Regards Scott

[gpunk]

I think we have a different idea of push here, for my self I meant that your business model is to push (advertise) your other products to continually make an income (I never once mentioned forcing people to use your add ons)

Some other vendors do the same as you and don't offer lifetime updates you are correct, but a lot of other host vendors have no other product at all and need a different business model to the lifetime free updates that you have.

The fact that you keep saying you don't understand my logic but started this all with a blanket statement that you don't understand why other developers cant offer lifetime free updates, well its puzzling at best to be honest ?

Personally i think starting a thread about a new feature that is in my eyes (Just opinion here by the way) probably the most important feature update in FLS (and maybe all hosts, i have been asking a lot of devs for similar stuff for years) and then making a blanket statement about other developers business models is a bit silly, enjoy the fact that you have a great DAW and if you think other developers have the wrong business model may i suggest you tell them personally rather than via a public forum.

[Bronto Scorpio]

Looks like a great feature
I don't quite understand why the Image Line guys always get all this negative feedback. They make great, affordable software. There is nothing wrong with that

Cheers
Dennis

[gpunk]

The negative they get tends to be 100% from stupid statements they make on forums.
Their software is without doubt some of the best available and i would in no way be without it and can even go as far as saying they are my most heavily invested audio supplier

[Trancit]

The negative they get tends to be 100% from stupid statements they make on forums.

That's interesting...I never saw any stupid statements they made on any forums...

And as far as this statement here:

Scott is completely right...
If a company like Image Line is able to offer lifetime free upgrades, why aren't any others???

Many other products are far more expensive, often the double price and are charging more and more for further updates.

Some other vendors do the same as you and don't offer lifetime updates you are correct, but a lot of other host vendors have no other product at all and need a different business model to the lifetime free updates that you have

Sorry, but that's no excuse...
If their buisness model is more weak than the model of others, I have to strengthen it...period...

I own FLS since version 5 or 6, means, I have had min 4 major updates and countless minor...
I paid about $300,- for my version...
If I had i.e. bought Sonar 6 at the same time, I had to pay €569,- (about $768,- at this time) and till version X today I would have had to pay $605,- additional ...

That's $1.373 since 2006 in comparison to the remaining $300,- of FLS... and the update torture for all hosts without lifetime free updates will still continue...

And please don't start a feature comparison against FLS here...

1. Sonar's quality will not win
2. for the saved $ 1.000,- I could have bought so many high quality plugins, that would have made the price performance ratio unbeatable...even with all the pay-what-you-want offers of Image Line, which was again very generous...

[gpunk]

So lets not start a feature comparison, or indeed start a maintained vs updated comparison, or indeed a blah blah blah

If one company has a specific business model does not mean it will suit all companies
You may not like it but guess what, nobody cares and for one company to go onto a public forum like this and attack other companies business models is petty at best.

[kmonkey]

It would be great but it is looking more like marketing directed timed release with regards(simply user asked this for years). ...Madeon started with FL Studio but moved on to Ableton Live because of better live environment

Madeon still produces his music with FL Studio.

BUT who says you have to use only one DAW platform?

FWIW: It is clear to us that some of our customers would like a path from the studio to the stage. We have released Groove Machine and are updating FL Studio real-time performance features.

This is all good as far as I can see, and it will be free.

Why are you so negative about developments that are obviously a win for our customers and show we are actively developing the program in new areas?

Regards Scott

No i am not trying to be negative. Sorry. Within several years i got some great tools with FL Studio for free with free update policy. While i see some other companies forced their users to pay for same. I am perfectly happy user. It just happened that i know how things flow on your forum and i am jerking here with gol.

Not appropriate thing and take my honest apology.

This new mode is completely useless to me but it will find it's own use with many users.

Kind regards

[LawrenceF]

The new feature looks great. To the other stuff...

I'm a FLStudio owner, love it, but a developer (or official rep) coming onto a public forum and saying "...why can't other companies do that?" is maybe a bit too close to the subject matter. Imagine the reaction if Justin did that, came here and said "Our software isn't protected really at all and our demo never expires, why can't Imageline do that?"

Honestly, it does come off a little bit disingenuous. Love the free lifetime updates (thanks) but that model wouldn't be a successful model for everyone and I think anyone with a reasonable degree of common sense would conclude that so (while I'm sure Scott didn't mean it that way) it comes off sounding (IMO) a little... strange.

Great product. Nice new feature.

[Happy Frog]

This is exactly what im looking for I did not know it. Thanks FL Studio.

Please stay on topic and help me with a couple of questions.

I watched the video but got a bit confused, my bad.

If I want to trigger more than 1 clip like what you do with the paint brush, how would I trigger that, hope you understand that question, hard for me to explain.

And 2nd what would be a good controler for this, recommendations please, anyone too please.

[VSTJuNkiE]

I don't quite understand why the Image Line guys always get all this negative feedback.

+1000

Seems like every time Scott or Tony Tony Chopper (gol) post here it's like "tap dancing on a mine field".

Might as well be a "PC vs Mac" or "Analog vs. Digital" thread...

[LawrenceF]

Agree. I don't see anything negative about a great software app that you only have to buy once in your life. I don't care what they do with it going forward since I never have to pay for it again anyway.

It's all on the positive end of the scale imo. I'm still not sure why some people regard it as a toy when it's clearly a really strong production workstation.

I think if they could go back in time they might not have called it "Fruity Loops"... dunno. The original name still seems to bother some people.

[Image-Line]

FWIW.

We here at Image-Line are software consumers too. Here's the philosophy that started us down this track.

Bugs/Incompatibilities

When you buy software it will have bugs OR an incompatibility/bug will appear when someone releases a new plugin/hardware. Often these issues hang around long enough to cross over a software generation. It REALLY sucks when you are forced to pay for an update/upgrade whatever to get a bug fixed. It would make us feel bad to force that on our customers (whatever you think, we are real people here and want to do the right thing).

About the plugins/features.

We really don't like to see our customers ripped off or forced to pay for features they don't want to use. For example, we spend $100000 developing the new feature X. Why should our existing customer base be forced to pay for that development, when most of them won't ever use X. It's better to attract new customers to the platform and they pay for it. Similarly with plugins.

Open standards

We always want people to be able to use as many formats and 3rd party plugins/content as they can or want to use. You may notice for example with Groove Machine, we didn't even protect our own content, you download the demo you get the samples with it.

For whatever reasons, we have shown that there is no need to ask customers to pay for program updates, we feel good about that. Apologies if it comes across as disingenuous. There really is a lot of internal satisfaction here giving FL Studio away to our loyal customer base.

Regards Scott