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Meffy · Post by **Meffy** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 5:50 pm

@hakey, izonin: Please don't bring the locked thread back up and re-start it in this thread. I'll just have to split off the digressing posts.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 7:09 pm

Diva sounds good... the first specific U-he analog emulation

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 10:38 pm

Urs wrote:
Uncle E wrote:
Urs wrote:We "only" have a Pro One which still is in rather bad shape and of course with CEMs rather than SSMs (Rev 2...). I'm keeping an eye open for an affordable Rev2, and then we might get there.
Pro One!!!

Yes, please!!!
We'll see... it needs to be fully recapped and cleaned though, and we want to do that ourselves

Hope you make it polyphonic. I'm not very familiar with the Pro-One, so, if someone could make a 1:1 comparison with the Prophet-5, I would love to see it.

But, while we're at it, why are you still keeping looking at (comparatively) little synths? If you want to keep emulating, I would love to see your technology on a good model of the CS80 or (sorry, I have to say it) the Matrix-12.

Of course, the Berlin Modular will have nothing little in it. And, after Diva, I would love you to come out with Zebra 2.6 and all the promised new goodies in it (specially because I will get these for free)

Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 10:47 pm

fmr wrote:Hope you make it polyphonic. I'm not very familiar with the Pro-One, so, if someone could make a 1:1 comparison with the Prophet-5, I would love to see it.

A polyphonic Pro One would probably sound more like the Prophet08 than the Prophet 5, i.e. very good but not as smooth as the original. That said, the Pro One is absolutely a gem in its own special way and is a better lead/percussion synth than the Prophet 5 is.

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 11:10 pm

Uncle E wrote:
fmr wrote:Hope you make it polyphonic. I'm not very familiar with the Pro-One, so, if someone could make a 1:1 comparison with the Prophet-5, I would love to see it.
A polyphonic Pro One would probably sound more like the Prophet08 than the Prophet 5, i.e. very good but not as smooth as the original. That said, the Pro One is absolutely a gem in its own special way and is a better lead/percussion synth than the Prophet 5 is.

Thanks. How does it compare, IYO, to the ARP Odissey and the MiniMoog? I think these were the main competitors, right?

hersoot · Post by **hersoot** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 11:15 pm

From either u-he or Arturia, or both, I'd like to have multi-retrigger envelopes that can be used in mono mode so that using a MIDI keyboard I can, for example, retrigger a note held with my left hand by playing notes with my right hand.

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Fri Nov 11, 2011 12:22 am

fmr wrote: But, while we're at it, why are you still keeping looking at (comparatively) little synths? If you want to keep emulating, I would love to see your technology on a good model of the CS80 or (sorry, I have to say it) the Matrix-12.

I can't emulate anything I don't have. Noone is going to lend me a CS80 to let me take it apart, and so far I haven't come across any decent offer.

Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Fri Nov 11, 2011 12:25 am

fmr wrote:Thanks. How does it compare, IYO, to the ARP Odissey and the MiniMoog? I think these were the main competitors, right?

They're all quite different. The Minimoog is fatter and smoother, where the Pro One is sharper with more bite. The Odyssey (at least the black and orange one I had) is just a weird (in a good way) synth, I don't know how to compare it to other things.

Lotuzia · Post by **Lotuzia** » Fri Nov 11, 2011 2:29 am

Uncle E wrote:
fmr wrote:Thanks. How does it compare, IYO, to the ARP Odissey and the MiniMoog? I think these were the main competitors, right?
They're all quite different. The Minimoog is fatter and smoother, where the Pro One is sharper with more bite. The Odyssey (at least the black and orange one I had) is just a weird (in a good way) synth, I don't know how to compare it to other things.

+1

My Orange Black Arp is the most gritty synth I ever had, and my Pro One is really sharp especially the sync, and has nothing to do with a Prophet V, a synth I unfortunately never owned, but know rather well.

Else :

All this Arturia bashing is really becoming to be ridiculous imho. A lot of people have Arturia synths and like them for what they are, and I really cant see why some people would want to explain them, with pseudoscientific arguments, that they should not like them.

justin3am · Post by **justin3am** » Fri Nov 11, 2011 2:45 am

I really like the Arp 2600V, the sequencer and spring reverb really do it for me. I typically reach for U-he synths before I go for the Arturia ones but some times I really like making self generating pateches on the 2600. I'm not really big on synth emulations, but I think that one sounds pretty good.

goldenanalog · Post by **goldenanalog** » Fri Nov 11, 2011 7:22 am

I've always liked the sound of the CS-80V.

Gonga · Post by **Gonga** » Fri Nov 11, 2011 7:59 am

I've always very much liked at least some of the sounds from every CS-80 emulation I've ever tried. I think that says more about the CS-80 than the emulations though.

goldenanalog · Post by **goldenanalog** » Fri Nov 11, 2011 8:22 am

Gonga wrote:I've always very much liked at least some of the sounds from every CS-80 emulation I've ever tried. I think that says more about the CS-80 than the emulations though.

That's an interesting observation, Gonga! Synth architecture and waveform selection-are those the principal attributes that define the cs-80 sound?

goldenanalog · Post by **goldenanalog** » Fri Nov 11, 2011 8:57 am

Late 70's early 80's were very ambitious years for Yamaha. The cs series, the gs1 and 2, the mass marketed dx-7 with it's 32 algorithms and midi...of course: we got tired of the sound (12 bit converters didn't help!) But digital proved itself to provide a wider range of sounds then analog. Or different. But We've almost come full circle, haven't we?

goldenanalog · Post by **goldenanalog** » Fri Nov 11, 2011 9:13 am

We now have access to tools like the great Zebra that can provide us with a quadrillion sonic permutations, but we STILL want that 'analog' sound. I was the first kid on my block with a dx-7 (actually:2) and I spent hours and hours coaxing filter sweeps out of it. Instead of the perfect piano, or trombone.

So our friend Urs stays up late at night building the next-gen virtual analog, because we need that sound. That SOUND. No:playing Zebra is just not good enough. Maybe it's just me, but I wonder sometimes if we aren't in some small way collectively slightly delusional.

I was playing my Triton extreme loaded with the First Call keyboard collection-a mixture of Synth and Hammond samples; I was ALMOST tempted to play our now ubiquitious game of: 'guess the synth' would it have been obvious that the minimoog sound was just a sample played on a keyboard? There are probably some of you guys that would have caught it right away, but I doubt that I have caught it immediately. Not as versatile as a vst by any means, but the sound is there.

u-He Zebra II Vs Arturia Complete (Analog)