When will Spectrasonics announce Stylus RMX 2?

[Whitten]

Just looked...
Recycle is $300 from my regular high end audio dealer.

So that's a no no.

[lightsfadelow]

For that price you might as well buy Geist. It has visual loop slicing built right into a pretty powerful beat workstation.

[como baila]

Just looked...
Recycle is $300 from my regular high end audio dealer.

So that's a no no.

You need to find better places to shop!

http://www.jrrshop.com/catalog/propelle ... -2658.html

With the 10% discount forum members get, that's $180.00.

Still, I agree, it's a lot of money if you don't have use for Rex files ... but I find them very useful. And not just for Stylus.

The other great 'trick' Recycle has up its sleeve is to export the slices as individual wav files along with a midi file with the timing. I imagine Geist does something similar, but Recycle is a great way to feed your hard or soft sampler.

Here's an interesting SOS article about Rex files ... and the differences between acidized files. http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/mar06/a ... artech.htm.

And this one touching also on how Live tempo stretches. http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jun06/a ... h_0606.htm

I certainly wouldn't be disappointed if Spectrasonic added some loop slicing features for wav and aiff files ... I'm just sort of doubtful they'll go that way.



Como

[dblock]

The only thing I really would like from RMX 2, other than new material, is a way to process drum elements of a loop separately. Ya I know, that would require how many VST outs?

I would agree. Sometimes I want to affect say, a snare but a kick hits at the same time.

[noiseboyuk]

Sometimes I want to affect say, a snare but a kick hits at the same time.

Unless Stylus 2 abandons using sliced stereo loops completely, this is plainly impossible. There's no magic with an RMX loop - it's just a regular bit of audio chopped up into little slices of time. If there is a kick and a snare on the same beat, they'll both be there on the slice.

This is a fundamental limitation of RMX technology when working with loops of more than one instrument. You have to either use loops of single instruments, or a drum machine to process everything individually and completely clean.

One potentially interesting future direction for RMX 2 would be to use mutlichannel RMX loops. I don't know if they exist anywhere - I suspect you'd need a new format altogether (perhaps S.A.G.E could be modified, I don't know). So you'd record your loop using, say, 10 mics on a drum kit, and you'd have control of all 10 within RMX 2. Or loops of mutlichannel electronic elements.

The more I think about it, the more likely it is to me that Spectrasonics won't use the same format in RMX 2 (and, for that matter, they probably won't call it RMX 2). Stereo loops are just too restrictive, and the technology must exist today for much better. Given their history of not just raising the bar on a new release but obliterating the bar completely, I'd say this was highly likely.

Bring on Drumnisphere!

[Gonga]

I've never even worked with loops let alone edited them (I always used live drums until recently), but I do have a REX file drum library for RMX that was made by a drummer with Recycle. Problem is, I've heard Eric Persing say that it's tough to do right. When I got the library, most of the files have issues and don't function correctly with any of the advanced features like chaos. So I'm not inspired to go out and learn another technology (Recycle and proper construction of RMX files) when I have almost no time for music as it is (I'm not a pro). Especially not when Spec is likely to come out with something better shortly.

Looking forward to RMX 2.0

[como baila]

I've never even worked with loops let alone edited them (I always used live drums until recently), but I do have a REX file drum library for RMX that was made by a drummer with Recycle. Problem is, I've heard Eric Persing say that it's tough to do right. When I got the library, most of the files have issues and don't function correctly with any of the advanced features like chaos. So I'm not inspired to go out and learn another technology (Recycle and proper construction of RMX files) when I have almost no time for music as it is (I'm not a pro). Especially not when Spec is likely to come out with something better shortly.

Looking forward to RMX 2.0

We all must use our time as best we can to accomplish what is most important to us. So I can understand not using or getting deeply into Stylus. But I strongly disagree with the idea that rex loops are hard to create.

I was looking for an article, unsuccessfully, that detailed the strengths and weaknesses of different stretching formats between Rex, Acid and Ableton. I found this one, that gets to some of the points.

http://www.recordingmag.com/resources/r ... l/323.html

I am guessing your drummer friend did a poor job in creating the underlying audio for the loops and then in setting the loop points in recycle. I'm not saying he's not a good or even great drummer ... just that he didn't produce the loops well.

I have made perfectly functioning and good sounding rmx files from my own loops and from commercial acidized ones. What Eric probably meant was that non-percussive sounds, i.e., bass or synth licks, etc., do not translate well to rex format and those type of sounds much 'trickier' to get a decent sound if you try to transpose them more than +/- 2 semitones or increase them more than 10 to 15 bpm. But this is a factor of the format, not of whether the loops were made by Spectrasonics, or not.

It really all depends how deeply you want to delve into Stylus. The above post about the difficulty with effecting just a snare when the kick is in the background is easily worked around by changing the snare used with that loop and playing the snare on a different 'track' in stylus.

Stylus RMX is the worlds greates rex player. That's what it is and what it's for.

Como

[Gonga]

Thanks! So do the advanced features work well for you with your imported REX files then? Yeah, I absolutely love RMX. At some point if necessary I may well dive into that, if I have the $ for Recycle.

[hibidy]

I'm beginning to think it's like this

[como baila]

Thanks! So do the advanced features work well for you with your imported REX files then? Yeah, I absolutely love RMX. At some point if necessary I may well dive into that, if I have the $ for Recycle.

In a word, 'Yes!'

The only possible reason an advanced feature wouldn't work well, like Chaos for example, is because the slicing it too sparse (you couldn't use chaos very well if the loop only had 3 slices!)or sliced improperly (sliced at a non-zero crossing creating artefacts when it loops).

The basic idea is really simple. You've a sliced loop. Midi messages can trigger any loop based upon the original midi file from the rex loop. You can 'quantise' that loop using the Time panel in different ways. You can randomly change the which loop plays to either start the pattern or have random repeats of part of it. If you thought about the play options, that's what it is. The audio is simple the ability to route individual slices in different orders and add effects on a slice by slice or group basis.

What Stylus does is fantastic, but the 'logic' underlying it is the same things you do in your daw every day.

Como

Como

[declan32001]

Sometimes I want to affect say, a snare but a kick hits at the same time.

Unless Stylus 2 abandons using sliced stereo loops completely, this is plainly impossible. There's no magic with an RMX loop - it's just a regular bit of audio chopped up into little slices of time. If there is a kick and a snare on the same beat, they'll both be there on the slice.

This is a fundamental limitation of RMX technology when working with loops of more than one instrument. You have to either use loops of single instruments, or a drum machine to process everything individually and completely clean.

I'm thinking I'm misunderstanding your post. I have to assume you're talking about REX files imported into RMX, but if that's the case your post is still highly misleading.

There's nothing in the RMX library, expanded or not, that can't be separated in my experience. If there's "bleeding" on some of the slices I haven't heard them.

If a bass drum, snare and cymbal hit on the same beat that's not a problem, but again I don't think I'm understanding you.

If I couldn't separate everything being triggered in RMX, it would be useless to me.

Apparently some people don't think RMX can do that, which is why I thing your post is misleading even if I am misunderstanding it.

[Doug1978]

Aside from some new material and possibly new FX, I'm very happy with how RMX is.
The only thing that I'd quite like in RMX 2 is the ability to export (changed) files as REX. I've bought a few RMX libraries in the past and it'd be great to have the option to use them outside of RMX too as REX.
(Clearly I can do a workaround at the moment, but instant REX export would be great).

[lotus2035]

I would like to be able to browse patches with the up and down arrow keys like in Omnisphere/Trilian.

[como baila]

scrubbed

[hibidy]

scrubbed

why, was there a stain on it?