New VST Synthesizer CELL

[SJMmusic]

If you don't want to release anything about the synth - fine, it's your choice. But then you can't expect people to trust in you or your synth when you only have some audio demos and next time when you'll probably release some more of them, nobody might be interested anymore.

[Shy]

@ all developers: learn a lesson. Don't post "teasers", "announcements" and so on on KvR. Your product will almost immediately be tagged "vaporware". OK?
Just release the damn thing and that's it, and make sure it has a fancy graphical user interface.

I haven't listened to a single demo, because years ago, I stopped caring about "announced" products unless they're from a company that's at least 20 years old.

P.S. the above post contains sarcastic as well as completely honest comments.

[Rodney888]

@ all developers: learn a lesson. Don't post "teasers", "announcements" and so on on KvR. Your product will almost immediately be tagged "vaporware". OK?
Just release the damn thing and that's it, and make sure it has a fancy graphical user interface.

I haven't listened to a single demo, because years ago, I stopped caring about "announced" products unless they're from a company that's at least 20 years old.

P.S. the above post contains sarcastic as well as completely honest comments.

just wait...

[Rodney888]

test Access VIRUS (R Channel) C Vs CELL VST (L Channel)

http://soundcloud.com/anjeyolaf/virus-r ... -vs-cell-l

[izonin]

test Access VIRUS (R Channel) C Vs CELL VST (L Channel)

http://soundcloud.com/anjeyolaf/virus-r ... -vs-cell-l

It sounds nice. The only difference, to me, are the slightly scratchier attacks in Cell. The filter in Virus handles the attacks better and creates a nice thump.

[Rodney888]

test Access VIRUS (R Channel) C Vs CELL VST (L Channel)

http://soundcloud.com/anjeyolaf/virus-r ... -vs-cell-l

It sounds nice. The only difference, to me, are the slightly scratchier attacks in Cell. The filter in Virus handles the attacks better and creates a nice thump.

is not an exact copy

[SWAN808]

sounds pretty good to me. interesting.

[Crackbaby]

it's been a week since last post .. how is it going?

I have faith in you and that it's not a bluff.. And even if it was it would be fun to see what you were using. It sounded good and my ears are happy for having heard it. So win-win!

Just draw something on a napkin, take a picture, upload it and call it a UI. Because the UI is the hard part when coding a synth! Right!? Even i can make a UI :p

[LeVzi]

As regards Synthmaker, I contacted them a while ago to inquire if they planned 64bit and Mac support, to which they replied yes to 64bit but not for a while, and maybe mac support but it would be a real long way off.

[Rodney888]

it's been a week since last post .. how is it going?

I have faith in you and that it's not a bluff.. And even if it was it would be fun to see what you were using. It sounded good and my ears are happy for having heard it. So win-win!

Just draw something on a napkin, take a picture, upload it and call it a UI. Because the UI is the hard part when coding a synth! Right!? Even i can make a UI :p

thanks man! this is not a bluff... we are working on CELL.. I'm almost finished design
Anjey Olaf finish engine..

[xalama qo]

I've recently been trying to replicate my favourite homegrown bass patch from my Virus b with a number of VST synths...Massive, Sawer, ABL Pro, Sylenth...(and the next will be Zebra.) It's a really simple saw tooth bass patch using the serial 6-pole filter, but it's magic is the filter envelope curve.
It's impossible to get the same filter envelope response from the VSTs I've tried so far. The virus has a beautiful 'rounded' envelope which, erm... envelopes the sound like mama goose putting her wings around her babies.

The VSTs all sound much more linear, even with Sustain param on filter envelope set to zero. (the bass patch is a short punchy dance bass.)

Needless to say most VSTs have oscillators with more high-end content than the virus osc's...that's a big part of the virus' dark sound...and i can get a very close raw osc sound from Massive using an LP filter on insert FX and a bit of EQ on post FX...but it's the filter envelope's 'wrapping-up' quality which is so musical.

I can hear this difference in the envelopes between the L and R channels on the demo, and once you start listening for it it's unmistakeable. Please tweak CELL to have the same envelope response as the virus, it's a beautiful curve, so musical!

[Anjey_Olaf]

Hi. Put an example please sound envelope of robots in the filter of the virus (for example). I want to hear audio sample to play on your cell.

[Aroused by JarJar]

I've recently been trying to replicate my favourite homegrown bass patch from my Virus b with a number of VST synths...Massive, Sawer, ABL Pro, Sylenth...(and the next will be Zebra.) It's a really simple saw tooth bass patch using the serial 6-pole filter, but it's magic is the filter envelope curve.
It's impossible to get the same filter envelope response from the VSTs I've tried so far. The virus has a beautiful 'rounded' envelope which, erm... envelopes the sound like mama goose putting her wings around her babies.

The VSTs all sound much more linear, even with Sustain param on filter envelope set to zero. (the bass patch is a short punchy dance bass.)

Needless to say most VSTs have oscillators with more high-end content than the virus osc's...that's a big part of the virus' dark sound...and i can get a very close raw osc sound from Massive using an LP filter on insert FX and a bit of EQ on post FX...but it's the filter envelope's 'wrapping-up' quality which is so musical.

I can hear this difference in the envelopes between the L and R channels on the demo, and once you start listening for it it's unmistakeable. Please tweak CELL to have the same envelope response as the virus, it's a beautiful curve, so musical!

If I'm not mistaken, the Virus has a linear attack as default. That rounded attack, which I agree with is great, is patched in (attack modulates attack).

Envelope variety is another feature I would think would be a "no-brainer" common feature on software synths.

Edit:

http://accessvirus.ashbysolutions.com/

Okay, if I'm wrong I'm not alone. I wish I had known this trick when I babysat a Virus for a couple of months, some years ago. This kind of attack on the filter would be a lot like the "swell" of an acoustic brass instrument, I think.

[xalama qo]

ok, so i came extremely close with Zebra using its V-slope envelope, using the concave (left-most) option...and a lot of listening and tweaking...but still not the same. In a mix you wouldn't hear any difference at all, and I'm admittedly being anal beyond most practical requirements, but to me it's such an interesting envelope quality which seems to add a warmth and cosy-ness to the sound, as well as a very pleasing definition to each note.

The part of the envelope that I'm referring to is the Decay. With Attack set to zero, and Sustain, Rise/Fall, and Release set to zero, Decay set to say 10'o'clock. The filter opens when triggered, then initially closes quickly in a concave curve, and then seems to have a more linear or even slightly convex shape at the end of it's close, so it sounds like there's some sustain going on (even though the env sustain is set to zero).
This gives basslines a great legato feel, but each note is also a well defined bubble. So it has a pluck-like attack and rounding, but without the staccato note-offs of a pluck.

Zebra doesn't quite get the snap of the initial decay and the 'sustain' of the last part of the decay TOGETHER...although it does all that and more in seperately tweaked patches. The best way for me to describe what the curve sounds like to me is as 'S shaped' - but tipped on its back, and less bulgy in the middle.

TBH I haven't examined the Virus patch structure to see if anything is modulating anything else (it's a modified factory preset)...sound diver is a bit of a shlep, but i'll do that this evening, and post some sounds on soundcloud.

BTW, nice new look KVR!

[Aroused by JarJar]

ok, so i came extremely close with Zebra using its V-slope envelope, using the concave (left-most) option...and a lot of listening and tweaking...but still not the same. In a mix you wouldn't hear any difference at all, and I'm admittedly being anal beyond most practical requirements, but to me it's such an interesting envelope quality which seems to add a warmth and cosy-ness to the sound, as well as a very pleasing definition to each note.

The part of the envelope that I'm referring to is the Decay. With Attack set to zero, and Sustain, Rise/Fall, and Release set to zero, Decay set to say 10'o'clock. The filter opens when triggered, then initially closes quickly in a concave curve, and then seems to have a more linear or even slightly convex shape at the end of it's close, so it sounds like there's some sustain going on (even though the env sustain is set to zero).
This gives basslines a great legato feel, but each note is also a well defined bubble. So it has a pluck-like attack and rounding, but without the staccato note-offs of a pluck.

Zebra doesn't quite get the snap of the initial decay and the 'sustain' of the last part of the decay TOGETHER...although it does all that and more in seperately tweaked patches. The best way for me to describe what the curve sounds like to me is as 'S shaped' - but tipped on its back, and less bulgy in the middle.

TBH I haven't examined the Virus patch structure to see if anything is modulating anything else (it's a modified factory preset)...sound diver is a bit of a shlep, but i'll do that this evening, and post some sounds on soundcloud.

BTW, nice new look KVR!

Heh- I was going to mention Zebra for these envelopes. The decay you are describing sounds like a sine envelope. It's a standard feature for fades and cross-fades in the Samplitude DAW. RS-met Straighliner has this and a huge variety of other envelope slopes, all mix-n-matchable. What the sine (or cosine) is OF is the question, have to think that one over a bit (sine of a linear slope down just gives you a rounded lump).

Edit- figured out one way to do it, don't know if it's the best, have to try it to-nite. I imagine the standard way is to read the shape at different rates off a stored wavetable.