KVR Audio

danbroad · Post by **danbroad** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 12:26 pm

Not some Mackie HUI emulator, but a proper, integrated ipad-as-control system.

Cubase has the CC121 and the newer mini-me's, Live the APC and Launchpad, Logic the Euphonix stuff... but surely there's a huge market there for a dedicated, integrated multi page app. One page for transport, one for XY pad, one for faders/pots and pans...

We're tantalisingly close with the IO dock, WIFI Midi [a la Spectrasonics]...etc. But as yet there's no major DAW manufacturer that has released a proper, dedicated ipad control app. Not even Apple. C'mon guys!

Mushy Mushy · Post by **Mushy Mushy** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 12:28 pm

Why would you bother?
The point to the iPad is portability.
If you had a controller why not just use a computer?

danbroad · Post by **danbroad** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 12:37 pm

In the same way that 'why bother' about controlling Omnisphere with Omni TR? Perhaps you misunderstand what I mean. Using the iPad, with its multi-touch capabilities and remote network ability to fine-control a computer based DAW. Dragging the potential out of the box with a truly configurable multi-touch editor. Being able to wander freely between monitor placements with a handheld FOH/mix control. Having the functionality of a Euphonix mix, Mackie HUI, APC40 or CC121 without the need for unnecessary duplication of hardware.

I see quite a few selling points. Why, don't you?

Mushy Mushy · Post by **Mushy Mushy** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 12:46 pm

Ah I see, so you want to use it that way.

Havent we already got something similar with a TouchAble and ioDock combo?

danbroad · Post by **danbroad** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 12:56 pm

We've got a form of decent workaround, but I'm thinking more along the lines of a dedicated, DAW-specific, manufacturer-made solution, with the same tight feeling of integration that Spectrasonics have instilled in the OmniTR app, or - in hardware - that Presonus have with the StudioLive or Steinberg with the CC121. The app-as-selling-point feature of the DAW, built from the ground up to offer that fully integrated experience.

Surely it'll happen, but I wonder who might be first....

Mushy Mushy · Post by **Mushy Mushy** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 12:59 pm

Not so sure it's inevitable TBH.

A software investment is obviously signicantly less than a hardware and software invesment.
So to generate favourable return on investment with software is relatively easy, doing so on hardware investment a lot more difficult. I'm not sure enough people have an iPod AND the relevant DAW to make it worthwhile.

Dogboy73 · Post by **Dogboy73** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 1:17 pm

Propellerheads are hiring 'Mobile developers' so Reason users are hoping this might lead to (amongst other things) a dedicated Reason controller. That would be nice

tehlord · Post by **tehlord** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 1:30 pm

Obviously this isn't a DAW controller, but it kind of sets the precedent :-

http://www.akaipro.com/synthstation25

dusted william · Post by **dusted william** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 1:50 pm

I think Live will be the first.

I think they are working on one as we speak.

dw

Acid Mitch · Post by **Acid Mitch** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 1:51 pm

I think the biggest problem with that level of DAW control is that the Ipad is a third party device the DAW companies have no control over. What happens when you spend 6 months or a year integrating the Ipad and then a new one comes out that breaks compatabilty or it gets dropped by Apple ?

There's already been similar problems with Ipod docks. Apple changed the size of the Ipod, so to use a new ipod with an older dock you have to get some an adapter.

+ pots seem like a bad idea on a touch screen. Do you use 1 or 2 fingers to turn it ? It doesnt feel like a natural movement like virtual sliders.

dusted william · Post by **dusted william** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 1:54 pm

Mushy Mushy wrote:Ah I see, so you want to use it that way.

Havent we already got something similar with a TouchAble and ioDock combo?

touchable is amazing. I think the Abe's will expand on that and make it even more integrated.

dw

clonewar · Post by **clonewar** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 5:21 pm

Since they have an iPad control app for the their StudioLive mixers, I was hoping that Presonus would have one for Studio One 2, maybe they'll still bring one out.

I think the best thing out there right now is V-Control Pro with Logic, because it's using OSC and has features not available with the MCU protocol.

cryophonik · Post by **cryophonik** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 5:36 pm

V-Control Pro is already available and is an excellent dedicated controller app for Pro Tools - yes, it uses the HUI protocol, but it's essentially what the OP is asking for. I would also like to see PreSonus release a dedicated iOS app for S1v2. For some reason, I don't see Cakewalk ever releasing one for Sonar, but that would be cool, too.

allofdrab · Post by **allofdrab** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 6:23 pm

If I can get my act together I'm going to finish one that works with Renoise's scripting capabilities, but I'm not an official Renoise developer. There's great potential with Renoise.

Benutzername · Post by **Benutzername** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 6:38 pm

Reaper can be controlled by every device out there that has a web browser. Why should anyone develop different apps for every DAW, every screen size and every mobile OS if a browser will work just as good?

who'll be first with a DAW controller?