KVR Audio

DrApostropheX · Post by **DrApostropheX** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 3:54 pm

I remmeber when my AV software first flagged the MixControl install. I initially panicked, and even though it was after hours, I got a reponse from DNR in less than an hour that calmed me down. I think DNR offers great support -- whenever I've submitted a ticket to have my account email changed, or to request the customer discount on a product, I've always gotten it taken care of that same day.

So no complaints here!

DNR Collaborative · Post by **DNR Collaborative** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 4:03 pm

gpunk wrote:I don't really want to tell you how to run your business so take it as you like

Thank you very much for your honest opinion, it is good to hear such things and I think your assessment is accurate and helpful.

Steven

contrary · Post by **contrary** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:15 pm

The thing that meeds to be brought to the forefront and focused on like a laser beam is how GD good the dsp in MC is ; World class EQ and dynamics processing.... ( not to mention the frequency target-able stereo width manipulator , which truly rocks!) Hammer the strength of this product !

The fog of these other things ( some which are a bit squishy and silly , such as how to be a perfect diplomat on the net's boards

)shouldn't be allowed to EVER cloud what you have got . That's a good sounding , multifaceted plug that is a great value for the cabbage ! Folks who mix audio should know that they will wonder how the ever got along without it !!

manducator · Post by **manducator** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:59 pm

How about releasing a part of MC (like the eq) as freeware and then advertise for the full product?

DNR Collaborative · Post by **DNR Collaborative** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 8:10 pm

manducator wrote:How about releasing a part of MC (like the eq) as freeware and then advertise for the full product?

This was also indeed a possibility we have discussed a number of times, and it may be what we do in the end, but I will certainly keep you all posted

Steven

gpunk · Post by **gpunk** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 8:58 pm

I would avoid releasing the EQ as freeware
Simply for the reason that it then has to stand up to DDMF
No disrespect to you guys at all but in the low cost EQ department DDMF have it sewn up, i often find myself switching off your EQ and using DDMF in its place, not because of any better quality but because i simply find it easier to work with (Old habits and all that)

I stand by the fact that if this plugin was $50 it would have to be on every ones list of must haves, it is an amazing plugin that i could no longer live without (Believe me that is massive praise from me)
However at the price it is at you are in the world of shiny shiny, and the next shiny shiny will always come along, that is compounded by the fact it is your first product which has evolved at a quicker pace than your company, by this i mean the average company would have stepped back after v1 and put out the next shiny shiny, unfortunately you guys have stuck with the userbase and given us an update that was and still is outstanding
To me and everybody else in your userbase that is amazing but to the average shiny shinier fanatic it is just an update of an old plugin

The annoying thing about that is that some sh*thead SE/SM developer who is slapping toolbox components together and releasing a shiny shiny every three weeks is probably getting more in donations than you guys are getting in sales (Before anybody says anything about that comment, I am the number one fan of SE and SM)
It is sad to say but i do think that for a first product MCP is maybe too good and too all encompassing, that is why i think splitting it down into individual plugins at say $10-15 a pop could work, although in the long run you would pay more for the same it has the visual impact of "Ooooooooh only $10-15"

Like i say the only other route is to tap the shiny shiny market, and release plenty more plugins in short order, a good example of that is RP, there is quite a bit of overlap in a few of his plugins and recently the releases have slowed down a bit, but it all built a reputation in short order

gpunk · Post by **gpunk** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:16 pm

A good example of the shiny shiny right now is the NF pack that is currently goin on sale for the same price as MCP
I understand the shiny shiny and yet still for at least 8 hours yesterday i was impressed with the pack hahaha, take three steps back, take a deep breath and recalculate, OK so at least 40 of those plugins are easily bettered by MCP and the others are modulation effects that are not even comparable and not that great
I just saved myself $99 hahahaha

Hmmmmm now there is a thought, a multi effect brother of MCP with your chorus's and flangers and verbs and stuff hmmmmmmm

Anyway just wanted to point out that the impact of many little plugins that actually don't hold a candle to MCP getting so much hype right now is very valid to my earlier point

DNR Collaborative · Post by **DNR Collaborative** » Fri Nov 18, 2011 1:49 pm

gpunk wrote:A good example of the shiny shiny right now is the NF pack that is currently goin on sale for the same price as MCP
I understand the shiny shiny and yet still for at least 8 hours yesterday i was impressed with the pack hahaha, take three steps back, take a deep breath and recalculate, OK so at least 40 of those plugins are easily bettered by MCP and the others are modulation effects that are not even comparable and not that great
I just saved myself $99 hahahaha

Hmmmmm now there is a thought, a multi effect brother of MCP with your chorus's and flangers and verbs and stuff hmmmmmmm

Anyway just wanted to point out that the impact of many little plugins that actually don't hold a candle to MCP getting so much hype right now is very valid to my earlier point

Hey, glad we could save you the money!

In all seriousness you bring up some good points that are well worth looking into and I very much appreciate you taking the time to write these things down. Because of the prior price changing after the initial release a few years back we had obviously been a bit cautious about any sort of price change whatsoever, but being our first foray into this field, the pricing is a bit of a mystery to us still. Right now we are confronted with the problem of either A) reducing the price for a short time for a group buy or B) investing in hardware dongle protection to prevent thieves from reducing our revenue. I think either of these solutions are not ideal because one could scare off potential customers and the other would anger current customers. Over the next week or so we will be investigating the impact of these options, as well as the options which you and other customers have presented, and we will keep you all up to date on the outcome. Thank you once again for your support and suggestions

Steven

gpunk · Post by **gpunk** » Fri Nov 18, 2011 2:12 pm

Dongle and i'm out
They do nothing at all but abuse paying customers
1 They get cracked
2 Most people using cracks had no intention of buying whatsoever

Steplton · Post by **Steplton** » Fri Nov 18, 2011 2:27 pm

gpunk wrote:Dongle and i'm out
They do nothing at all but abuse paying customers
1 They get cracked
2 Most people using cracks had no intention of buying whatsoever

+1024!!!

sinkmusic · Post by **sinkmusic** » Fri Nov 18, 2011 3:14 pm

I also 300% avoid any software with a dongle...

DNR Collaborative · Post by **DNR Collaborative** » Fri Nov 18, 2011 5:27 pm

gpunk wrote:Dongle and i'm out
They do nothing at all but abuse paying customers
1 They get cracked
2 Most people using cracks had no intention of buying whatsoever

Have no fear - after a lot of thinking and reading articles pertaining to this subject, I have voiced this sentiment after researching dongles and their behavior a bit and hope that the choice is made to find some other protection that does not require any additional hoops for our regular users.

I have made a few suggestions as to possible ways of enticing those who would possibly use a cracked version, but as it stands currently, MCP is already too widely cracked to do anything about it seems. That is the way life goes though

Steven

ZINO · Post by **ZINO** » Fri Nov 18, 2011 5:50 pm

DNR Collaborative wrote: MCP is already too widely cracked to do anything about it seems. That is the way life goes though

I disagree. The fact that it is so widely cracked may in fact work in your favor when you release a super update with a great feature that is protected with a yet uncracked method (like an ilok2, syncrosoft, Super Keyfile, whatever you like). Then it would be tempting for those free riders to pay for the new version with this super myltiband/dynamic/transient/eq/filter feature they can't otherwise have!

Thats the simple Satanic Microsoft plan. DOS, 95, 98, 2000 practically no protection then something more strict in XP, Vista, 7 = World domination.

scalawag · Post by **scalawag** » Fri Nov 18, 2011 6:02 pm

Put the name of the owner in GUI, encrypted.
Satson and Stripbus have it.

manducator · Post by **manducator** » Fri Nov 18, 2011 6:03 pm

gpunk wrote:Dongle and i'm out

+1

Have no fear

I hope so...

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