u-He Zebra II Vs Arturia Complete (Analog)

[Lotuzia]

If you refer to Zero-Delay-Filter as something new under the sun, then you should perhaps google for Vadim Zavalishin, from NI. ( Back in 2008 )

Or maybe, as you wrote it yourself, at Andy's Cyclomic filter. So nothing new under the sun here again.

There are, by the way, at least one other approach to make a zero-delay filter, used by at least one company I'm aware of. (or now a fourth one if we consider Vadim's one, Andy's one, Urs one, and the other company's one ) So nothing new under the sun

Vadim uses a different approach to implement zero delay feedback which is nowhere near as complex as ours.

Andy's Drop is not yet public, so yes, we're first.

That third thing you name only exists in your imagination

could not make Diva sound as a PolyKB, or a Synthix, or a "simple" Korg MS-20, for example.

I can tell you why, if you want.

Please refer to the email I sent to you to keep this civil.

Hi Urs

I answered to your private message,

I'll eventually complete/edit this post according to your answer, so please refer to it

I could see a lot of points why the MS-20 is different, but I have few interest in that, as I'm not in search of a MS-20, but it might be interesting for the poster who asked me the same question, so feel free to comment it further if you like. Besides this, the fact that it sounds different dont make Diva a good, or less good synth. They are just different

Best,

LtZ

[Lotuzia]

How long have Hakey and Lotuzia been at each others throats for?

I have only been a member for a short while and they provide tremendous entertainment !

You'll note that he is always biting first. And has arguments with many other people as well.

It just seems that he cant live without me

Anyway he's a member of this forum and is free to express his opinions.

Ahhh hate/love .........

Want a coffee Hackey ? Just made it, its hot

[Ingonator]

It just seems that he cant live without me

Anyway he's a member of this forum and is free to express his opinions.

Ahhh hate/love .........

Want a coffee Hackey ? Just made it, its hot

[hakey]

nevermind

[Urs]

If you refer to Zero-Delay-Filter as something new under the sun, then you should perhaps google for Vadim Zavalishin, from NI. ( Back in 2008 )

Or maybe, as you wrote it yourself, at Andy's Cyclomic filter. So nothing new under the sun here again.

There are, by the way, at least one other approach to make a zero-delay filter, used by at least one company I'm aware of. (or now a fourth one if we consider Vadim's one, Andy's one, Urs one, and the other company's one ) So nothing new under the sun

Vadim uses a different approach to implement zero delay feedback which is nowhere near as complex as ours.

Andy's Drop is not yet public, so yes, we're first.

That third thing you name only exists in your imagination

could not make Diva sound as a PolyKB, or a Synthix, or a "simple" Korg MS-20, for example.

I can tell you why, if you want.

Please refer to the email I sent to you to keep this civil.

Hi Urs

I answered to your private message,

I'll eventually complete/edit this post according to your answer, so please refer to it

Sure. What part of my post do you want edited? I don't see anything that's wrong.

If you can name a synth that you believe to use our method, then I'm happy to help out, after doing our measurements. I am however sure that no-one has used our method to the degree we do in a softsynth as of yet. We would have heard about it, I'm sure.

Urs

[Meffy]

try to make a jerk out of me. (once again ..... ) :wink:

Not really much point, you've done a good enough job of that on your own... once again. :wink:

How about both of you mute each other? No more personal bickering in the thread. Take it to PM or email, please.

[bmrzycki]

[hakey]

Erm, cheers for that Brian?

[Lotuzia]

If you refer to Zero-Delay-Filter as something new under the sun, then you should perhaps google for Vadim Zavalishin, from NI. ( Back in 2008 )

Or maybe, as you wrote it yourself, at Andy's Cyclomic filter. So nothing new under the sun here again.

There are, by the way, at least one other approach to make a zero-delay filter, used by at least one company I'm aware of. (or now a fourth one if we consider Vadim's one, Andy's one, Urs one, and the other company's one ) So nothing new under the sun

Vadim uses a different approach to implement zero delay feedback which is nowhere near as complex as ours.

Andy's Drop is not yet public, so yes, we're first.

That third thing you name only exists in your imagination

could not make Diva sound as a PolyKB, or a Synthix, or a "simple" Korg MS-20, for example.

I can tell you why, if you want.

Please refer to the email I sent to you to keep this civil.

Hi Urs

I answered to your private message,

I'll eventually complete/edit this post according to your answer, so please refer to it

Sure. What part of my post do you want edited? I don't see anything that's wrong.

If you can name a synth that you believe to use our method, then I'm happy to help out, after doing our measurements. I am however sure that no-one has used our method to the degree we do in a softsynth as of yet. We would have heard about it, I'm sure.

Urs

First I never said that it used "your" method. I especially mentioned that precisely in the mail I sent you. Mesure them as much as you want.

As you kindly agreed that it was impossible to make Diva sound like a MS-20, PolyKB II or Synthix, and that you could explain it, that's ok for me. It seems to me that this indicates that you respect other musical instruments and their differences.

LtZ

[Lotuzia]

try to make a jerk out of me. (once again ..... )

Not really much point, you've done a good enough job of that on your own... once again.

How about both of you mute each other? No more personal bickering in the thread. Take it to PM or email, please.

I muted him a long time ago Meffy. ( Dont know if you can verify that on KVR due to your mod status ) Very rarely I read one of his comments, mostly I never do. And I never quoted him first.

A friend alerted me that he had replied to one of my post, called me "Clouseau" etc etc.

What can I do ? Tbh its the last of my concern to exchange with him, but I find it difficult not to react sometimes to his continuous sarcasms.

IF the guy would give me a break and never quote me again, I'll certainly do the same, unfortunately ........

[PAK]

About the SSM filter: While i made a few Diva presets inspired by the Polysix (based on the fact the Diva Ensemble is more or less modeled on it) Urs mentioned he tries to get a Polysix (with a SSM2044) or an older Prophet 5 version (Rev2 with SSM2040 i guess) for the replication of the SSM filter. His Siel Opera got it too but sounds totally different.
BTW Waldorf PPG Wave 3.V models a SSM 2044 too and it sounds fantastic IMO.
Ingo

I like the 3V too But the 2040 and 2044 are different, where the later's more "inspired" by the Moog ladder. So using the Polysix as a basis for copying the Prophet filter is maybe a bit questionable. It's nice when developers go the extra mile not to content themselves too much with "approximating" of everything in those regards I'd still like to see the (it's not just for brass swells) CS-80 "done right" as well, but it's maybe a synth that's more a "sum of all the parts" deal than a particularly stand-out filter etc

[PAK]

Our Mini will not produce a resonance spike much below 70 Hz, but it will do so far beyond 20kHz. So I think the trimpots and parts are at exceptional levels, and we trust Mr. Zimmer's observation that this is his best sounding Mini, maybe because of these unusual settings.

The character is exactly what most modern electronic styles of music would likely favour over the more muted "smoother/rounder" character. So his taste will probably result in a more commercial synth for you, in terms of what's popular right now.

Still, I'd love to see that slightly different take on things too, because the strange balance of smooth and more rounded tone, yet still bitey and airy (even if most of that "air" is noise/VCA related ) would be nice to have. Not that these elements aren't already present in different ways in Diva of course. Indeed I'm happy enough to buy it

You can influence the VCA distortion by changing the VCA volume in addition to envelope settings
..
Thus, whenever Diva lacks drive or adds too much, adjusting the VCA volume and compensating by master output might do the trick

Yep, I did already notice that, and it does help a little bit. I wonder how many times you'll need to mention this though, since one thing you can be sure of is that a lot of people will slam everything up to maximum volume

[Ingonator]

You can influence the VCA distortion by changing the VCA volume in addition to envelope settings
..
Thus, whenever Diva lacks drive or adds too much, adjusting the VCA volume and compensating by master output might do the trick

Yep, I did already notice that, and it does help a little bit. I wonder how many times you'll need to mention this though, since one thing you can be sure of is that a lot of people will slam everything up to maximum volume

Nice hint. Many thanks for that!!

In most polysynth sounds i have to reduce the VCA level anyway but i'll check the use on the lead sounds.


Ingo

[Urs]

You can influence the VCA distortion by changing the VCA volume in addition to envelope settings
..
Thus, whenever Diva lacks drive or adds too much, adjusting the VCA volume and compensating by master output might do the trick

Yep, I did already notice that, and it does help a little bit. I wonder how many times you'll need to mention this though, since one thing you can be sure of is that a lot of people will slam everything up to maximum volume

I'm actually contemplating some type of control that lets you trade one volume for the other...

We'll see...

[himalaya]

This analogue-style gain stage confused a lot of people in Cypher (to give another example), which has the filter drive and the main Amp level affecting the output, which results in a more driven sound. To get smoother sounds the Filter drive and Amp Level need to be reduced and the main volume level pushed up to compensate (just like with the DIVA example above).

The new crop of VA synths bring all these type of tricks that catch some people unawares.

Perhaps developers who model analogue components need to produce big warning stickers people could stick on their computer monitors: "Warning: this synth is alive!"