Would you still buy Reaper if it will cost you as much as the other DAWs ?

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[trimph1]

I just use what works for me. And, for now, that means X1c, Reaper 4 and Audacity....



Inspite of the stuff going on with X1 it still does the job..I have had no BSOD's with it, yet. And the same for Reaper, and that is with multiple instances of AT3.7.....

[Astromann]

of course innovation is not everything - but as far as warm fuzzies go (wtf is a 'lost chord') - there are basic principles of user interaction developed over a couple of decades of design and research. Something like difficult to find or hidden functionality is classic crap design. Is it worth putting up with a bit of crap design - sometimes. trade offs are made all the time.

Dont get me wrong, I am not having a go at you, I agree with a lot of what you said, but just presenting some different angles on it.
Lost chord is when musicians are looking so hard for new tonalities that they try "out there" scales over "out there chords" in order to find some new amazing structure...something like that.
Hidden Functionality? you'll have to give some examples...and there are probably some.
I can think of "Global Input Quantize" on the main arrange page as one,
movable folders and nested tracks in the main timeline, that can be jumped into, transposed at the top level (all containers are then transposed), quantized at the top folder level etc.....Logic has that implemented brilliantly.
But Reaper can actually do this, it does require a few custom actions tho, but once that is done its relatively easy.
Anyway yeah, its a trade off, right now I am good, we will see what the future brings tho.
Cheers

[SJ_Digriz]

The amazingly bad interface made it's amazing price/performance advantage a non-starter. It's pretty much that simple. There are quite a few Reaper users, but it is still a very minority program. The converts all scream about how Reaper gets a bum rap about the interface. Well, if you ask almost anyone who decides NOT to use it after trying it, it has almost nothing to do with the capabilities. It ALWAYS has to do with how cumbersome it is and how f**king stupid the set of toggles you have to switch to get it to do any one thing is.

As I've stated a few times. If Reaper were free, I'd continue to pay the going rate for Cubase.

God Speaks!!
Everyone should listen, this opinion is absolute, and he is all knowing.
I am sure he knows all that needs to be known about Reaper...
Sooo bow your heads you minority fools, this man is speaking from the lofty heights and knows a greater reality and is part of a much larger team!! ...eeerr Cubase.

Silly god stuff aside, are you of the mind that Reaper has the userbase of ProTools, Cubase, Logic or Samplitude?

It's easy enough to participate on the Reaper forum. Pretty easy to figure out that the #1 complaint from the NON- coolaid drinker is .. man this UI sucks and it's too fiddly to get it to do simple stuff. That sentiment is repeated, over and over and over and over and over.................. Just because I can read, doesn't give me divine powers ............... OR DOES IT?

[Astromann]

Silly god stuff aside....Are you of the mind that Reaper has the userbase of ProTools, Cubase, Logic or Samplitude?

First off, if you make lofty statements like..
"The Amazingly Bad Interface" "The converts all scream" "Cool Aid Drinkers" and so on ...then I conclude that you are a superior smart arse who thinks his opinion is absolute...well...sorry its not!!

As far as userbase? I dont care at all...I dont go on forums a real lot, I participated in the Logic Forums for years, even designed environments for Logic and it has a huge userbase...and most of them complain, just like on the Reaper forums, or the Cubase Forums.
So userbase doesn't mean a lot to me, as long the userbase is enough so the app is supported well.

It's easy enough to participate on the Reaper forum. Pretty easy to figure out that the #1 complaint from the NON- coolaid drinker is .. man this UI sucks and it's too fiddly to get it to do simple stuff.

I barely participate on the Reaper forum at all, I mainly make music.
Secondly I'll lay money that I know a bit or a lot more about the user interface than you do...judging by your previous uninformed statements that I already quoted.
And I dont drink Cool Aid, and the interface is what you make it...if you dont agree.... fine.
Anyway there are always complaints about any DAW, the main one with Cubase is the cluttered window setup, and the main one with Logic is the decade old bugs.
I just dont buy it when anyone says...this is a great app, and this one sucks..because I said so, or some people on the forums said so and anyone who disagrees is a mindless convert, a cool aid drinker or whatever, thats basically the same attitude the fanatical fundamentalist has...my way is right, my view is informed, we have so many millions of followers too...so anyone who does not comply is an inferior idiot and part of the minority...poor fools!
The reality is...I can get get the user interface on Reaper (I am not talking about functionality here...not skins)to replicate how Logic works and much more, and very smoothly.
I am pretty sure that Cubase is not that versatile...so I dont buy what you are saying.... sorry!! you are just going to have to live with that.

[Fritze]

It's easy enough to participate on the Reaper forum. Pretty easy to figure out that the #1 complaint from the NON- coolaid drinker is .. man this UI sucks and it's too fiddly to get it to do simple stuff.

Would be interesting to know what the #1 complaints on the user forums of the other Daws are.
Besides of that I can't confirm your comprehension about that complaint being #1.
I often read about freeze which Reaper has now. So these complaints are silenced AFAIK.
Many people are happy with the RADO and Reaction themes. So the GUI complaints got less then there were before.
I don't say that the GUI and it's workflow couldn't be better and there are a few things that I want to get changed NOW.

[SJ_Digriz]

First off, if you make lofty statements like..
"The Amazingly Bad Interface" "The converts all scream" "Cool Aid Drinkers" and so on ...then I conclude that you are a superior smart arse who thinks his opinion is absolute...well...sorry its not!!

And here you are drinking the cool-aid and screaming like a convert because someone doesn't agree with you. Thanks for making my point for me.

You question my statements. I'm good with that. They are not "LOFTY" or some other crap.

#1: Reaper is a minority host.
Am I wrong? Did it suddenly become one of the dominant industry DAWs? Is it proliferating in studios and post prod environments? Didn't think so.

#2: Amazingly bad interface vs Price Point
Reaper has a virtually endless FREE full featured trial. People still don't use it. Why, because the interface sucks. Tell me a different reason.

There are people who manage to get over that. Reaper functionally kicks ass. But, if Price Point was a factor, Reaper WOULD be a dominant player.

So, lofty statements aside, make an argument instead of just calling me names. I've listed my reasons and why I think what I do. Feel free to do the same.

[trimph1]

First off, if you make lofty statements like..
"The Amazingly Bad Interface" "The converts all scream" "Cool Aid Drinkers" and so on ...then I conclude that you are a superior smart arse who thinks his opinion is absolute...well...sorry its not!!

And here you are drinking the cool-aid and screaming like a convert because someone doesn't agree with you. Thanks for making my point for me.

You question my statements. I'm good with that. They are not "LOFTY" or some other crap.

#1: Reaper is a minority host.
Am I wrong? Did it suddenly become one of the dominant industry DAWs? Is it proliferating in studios and post prod environments? Didn't think so.

#2: Amazingly bad interface vs Price Point
Reaper has a virtually endless FREE full featured trial. People still don't use it. Why, because the interface sucks. Tell me a different reason.

There are people who manage to get over that. Reaper functionally kicks ass. But, if Price Point was a factor, Reaper WOULD be a dominant player.

So, lofty statements aside, make an argument instead of just calling me names. I've listed my reasons and why I think what I do. Feel free to do the same.

And there we have a perfect example of Fanboi vs Basher...

In the war between the Fanboi vs the Basher can you kindly leave some space for those who actually LIKE the DAW in question but can see room for improvement????

All I can say is that at least the Reaper GUI is customizable...vs one that I use that has taken that customizableness out of the picture....

[Fritze]

#1: Reaper is a minority host.
Am I wrong? Did it suddenly become one of the dominant industry DAWs? Is it proliferating in studios and post prod environments? Didn't think so.

Who cares? I can give a fukk on that.

#2: Amazingly bad interface vs Price Point
Reaper has a virtually endless FREE full featured trial. People still don't use it. Why, because the interface sucks. Tell me a different reason.

"People" still don't use it? There are tons of people who use it, included myself.
I think it's a good thing to state your opinion as your opinion and refrain from generalizing what "people" want and do.

[Fritze]

In the war between the Fanboi vs the Basher can you kindly leave some space for those who actually LIKE the DAW in question but can see room for improvement????

All I can say is that at least the Reaper GUI is customizable...vs one that I use that has taken that customizableness out of the picture....

Amen and amen!

[Bronto Scorpio]

Yep. Reaper can't be that unpopular. It is always in the Top3 of all those pointless "Best DAW" polls.
So there seem to be many people who use it

Cheers
Dennis

[phankiejankie]

Well I put some old CUBASE sessions on REAPER and man without doing anything my old tracks sounded a 1000 times better. It must be the audio engine in REAPER I can't explain it otherwise. So it's REAPER all the way for me.

FFS seriously if you lot put all that effort into making music rather than debating the same things all over, again and again and again, like a terribly boring minimal techno made in 5 minutes in FL (no offense to FL it's a seriously serious tool) the world would be a better place.

I mean why can't we all live together and make our choices and that's that instead of trying to convince everyone that our toys are better than theirs.

You may don't like REAPER that's fine but stop bashing it in every way possible. I like it and I have no problems with the UI at all just as someone else likes CUBASE or LOGIX or InstaProRecordDeal Studio version 666.

[SJ_Digriz]

In the war between the Fanboi vs the Basher can you kindly leave some space for those who actually LIKE the DAW in question but can see room for improvement????

Absolutely. If people would actually read in context, you would find that I have used (and own) Reaper and find it to be Feature Rich. I like the devs. Have written scripts for it. Customized the interface extensively. etc.. In other words, I didn't just pick it up for 5 minutes and kick it to the curb. If you read the stuff about cycle recording, takes and free item positioning and the fact I have tried to macro the combinations, that should tell you that I've been hip deep in the feature set. I've used a large number the SWS extensions to build custom macros for opening and closing plugin chains and performing multi-format exports..

That last set of silly exchanges was started off the simple statement that somehow Price Point was a driving factor in the adoption of Reaper. I was pointing out how ridiculous that assumption was.

[Astromann]

And here you are drinking the cool-aid and screaming like a convert because someone doesn't agree with you.

I could not care less that you dont agree with me, I made it very clear that you have an aggressive attitude, and thats what I dont like ...its that simple.

You question my statements. I'm good with that. They are not "LOFTY" or some other crap.

Yes they are.

#1: Reaper is a minority host.
Am I wrong? Did it suddenly become one of the dominant industry DAWs? Is it proliferating in studios and post prod environments? Didn't think so.

Pro Tools and Logic are, and I know Logic backwards, I dont care what is he industry standard, I already stated that.

#2: Amazingly bad interface vs Price Point
Reaper has a virtually endless FREE full featured trial. People still don't use it. Why, because the interface sucks. Tell me a different reason.

"People still dont use it" How do you know? are you present at every download? do you have tabs on everyone that uses Reaper
The interface sucks? what does that mean? in what way? give some clear examples, other than just a blanket statement of your opinion, I know plenty of people that say Cubase interface sucks, cluttered windows etc...doesn't mean it it's true.
You just stated.. "Why, because the interface sucks." and then previously you tried to quantify that statement with "and how f**king stupid the set of toggles you have to switch to get it to do any one thing is"
You obviously know not much at all...basically thats total rubbish!! and shows that you know not very much.
And if you stated something like that (even if it was true) the attitude you have and the language just shows that you are aggressive and insulting ...so take a chill pill!!
Drop the attitude and talk sense, then you may get a reasonable response.

So, lofty statements aside, make an argument instead of just calling me names. I've listed my reasons and why I think what I do. Feel free to do the same.

No you havent, you have stated blanket statements...thats all, no examples, read your posts, where is one solid example?...just your forceful opinions and what you have read on forums or whatever.

[Compyfox]

Seriously, the only reason why I would like to switch completely, might be the capability to use multi-ASIO drivers/devices. So far, this is only possible with custom drivers (usually not supported by the hardware developers) or going to the Mac.

Even so, I wouldn't jump on Reaper. The ideas are great, no doubt. I'd still use that one on a Laptop. But I'm a die hard Cubase user, grew up with it, know all quirks and limitations.

Learning a host from scratch takes time - and this is something a lot of users (musicians/producers/engineers alike) can't always afford.


Is it fair priced? Only if the upgrade cycle is longer than 3 years. At the moment with the "Host Wars" going on, I think NO HOST is fair priced whatsoever.