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gpunk · Post by **gpunk** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 3:30 pm

SJ_Digriz wrote: Let's see, you have a multi-state icon attached to a multi-state action which is supported by the new UI customization engine. The state is incorrectly tracked. You can say that isn't a bug if you want. I don't care what you call it. It doesn't work, which means the UI still sucks.

And you are not making blanket statements right ?

Lets see you have a human attached to two legs, thos legs are supported by the latest Nike trainers that the olympic sprinters use, but it still takes me twenty minutes to walk to the store, Nike sucks hahahahaha

If something is NOT designed to do something, just because you think it should does not make that a bug, it is a missing feature, but lets just call it a bug anyway if it makes you happy hahahahahaha

gpunk · Post by **gpunk** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 3:36 pm

SJ_Digriz wrote: Only if you reskin it right? If not, I'd sure like to know how to kill it in the default GUI. I'm on the latest beta of 4, released in Nov. Haven't looked to see if there was a new update today

Just go to customise toolbars and delete the buttons from default toolbar or whatever it is called, you may need to add in a blank button so it doesn't revert to it's default state

Like i said earlier in the thread, unfortunately there is a lot of "Reaper can't do this" when it actually can, that comment isn't aimed at you because you are not a Reaper user obviously, it is aimed at the guys who stomp around as the uber mega Reaper "Fanbois" and pretend to know everything, ultimately not knowing very much and convincing people that Reaper is much less capable than it is

SJ_Digriz · Post by **SJ_Digriz** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 3:36 pm

By the way, this is really part of my point. Reaperites will explain that all you need is X skin or build a action list, or custom macro from SWS etc......

OPINION:

Most DAW users want to start it up and use it

Sure, Reaper is massively customizable. THAT IS AS MUCH A WEAKNESS AS A STENGTH!

But, even within the customization the interface remains twiddly. That's about the best I can explain. Using the mouse seems squishy and unresponsive, especially in the MIDI editor. Some of the dialog boxes that you HAVE TO USE are beyond awful. And, because of the way the UI is implemented, it will always look like a 1990s app, no matter which skin is drawn in the framework. At least I haven't seen one that doesn't.

:END OPINION

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 3:37 pm

Yep, I still like reaper this morning

Damn, I knew I should have played the "pass" line

gpunk · Post by **gpunk** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 3:44 pm

SJ_Digriz wrote:By the way, this is really part of my point. Reaperites will explain that all you need is X skin or build a action list, or custom macro from SWS etc......

OPINION:

Most DAW users want to start it up and use it

Sure, Reaper is massively customizable. THAT IS AS MUCH A WEAKNESS AS A STENGTH!

But, even within the customization the interface remains twiddly. That's about the best I can explain. Using the mouse seems squishy and unresponsive, especially in the MIDI editor. Some of the dialog boxes that you HAVE TO USE are beyond awful. And, because of the way the UI is implemented, it will always look like a 1990s app, no matter which skin is drawn in the framework. At least I haven't seen one that doesn't.

:END OPINION

Unfortunately you seem to have a massive bee in your bonnet, I am not a Reaperite and would be off Reaper as quick as you could say the word if another app comes along in the price range (Maybe even more in my case) that does what it does and allows me to customize it how I want.

Opinion

Basically i know more about Reaper than you, even after you stated you gave it a good chance and customized it and blah blah blah, you obviously didn't give it much of a chance because now i have pointed out you where wrong calling "Bug" or "Default blah is sacred" you get uppity and call me a Reaperite (better still resort to the inner teenager and scream "It still just sucks" well done)
Ever thought i may use Cubase too, Or Pro Tools or whatever i fancy or am paid to use

Just because somebody has more knowledge of a particular app than you does not make them a fanboy or whatever else you wish to think, it just means i corrected you on the mistakes you had made in this particular thread

Opinion end

SJ_Digriz · Post by **SJ_Digriz** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 3:51 pm

gpunk wrote:
SJ_Digriz wrote: Only if you reskin it right? If not, I'd sure like to know how to kill it in the default GUI. I'm on the latest beta of 4, released in Nov. Haven't looked to see if there was a new update today
Just go to customise toolbars and delete the buttons from default toolbar or whatever it is called, you may need to add in a blank button so it doesn't revert to it's default state

I don't think you can do what you are saying to default toolbar, although I will try it again. You can delete it from the hover toolbar, but not the one over the track ( as far as I know), I'm pretty sure they are skinned separately even though they are the identical button set. I could be wrong on that.

I actually play with Reaper a lot. So even though I don't use it for projects, I actually enjoy seeing what is being done with it. I probably spend 2 or 3 hours a week (clearly not power user status) fiddling with it. However, in that time I am usually deep diving functionality, not trying to write/record music.

So, even though you all think I hate Reaper, you would be wrong. I like many things about the Reaper feature set, it's routing capabilities, some of the new improvements to MIDI editing ... etc.. I even like the UI customization capabilities .. in theory. However, in practice FOR ME and many like me, the combination still doesn't work well together. And, I believe there are far more people who tried and died, than tried and stayed.

About the Cubase interface. There is no doubt that there are windowing issues in Cubase. I could go through the same type of "well all you have to do is .." statements the Reaper defenders provide in response to criticism of the Reaper UI. But, taken editor window for editor window, each major editor is EXTREMELY well thought out and implemented. This is why I think Cubase is ahead of the game and worth the $.

trimph1 · Post by **trimph1** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 3:53 pm

I like what I use....so there...

SJ_Digriz · Post by **SJ_Digriz** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 3:55 pm

Reaperite is not a pejorative.

HanafiH · Post by **HanafiH** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 3:57 pm

Arglebargle · Post by **Arglebargle** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 4:01 pm

hibidy wrote:Yep, I still like reaper this morning

Damn, I knew I should have played the "pass" line

I broke out of my laziness block around the time I started using Reaper. Coincidence? I dunno. I've tried other DAWs, Live and FL to be specific, those didn't click at all with me. StudioOne reminds me of a simpler version of Sonar.... meh.

Oh, and I tried SAW Studio the other day.

fedexnman · Post by **fedexnman** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 4:01 pm

No I would not , but thats not Cockos Reaper's business model anyways and probably never will be . Its a no bloat DAW , theres no advertising , no product boxes , no 3rd party vsts or loops or crapware etc . etc . Instead you get an uncrippled demo with a nag screen , that you really can thoroughly audition and decide if you really hate it or like it .

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 4:09 pm

Arglebargle wrote:
Oh, and I tried SAW Studio the other day.

Oh my!

SJ_Digriz · Post by **SJ_Digriz** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 4:09 pm

gpunk wrote: Basically i know more about Reaper than you,

Knowing more and being right are not the same thing.

you where wrong calling "Bug"

That's interesting because when they were working on Walter during the alpha, this issue came up repeatedly. I don't know if it was a dev or White Tie or one of the other prominent testers, but it was accepted that this needed working out. I don't care what you call it. It doesn't work and it should.

"It still just sucks"

that was actually tacked on as a sarcasm/joke based on previous parts of the thread. a smiley face may have helped.

Ever thought i may use Cubase too, Or Pro Tools or whatever i fancy or am paid to use

not relevant.

Just because somebody has more knowledge of a particular app than you does not make them a fanboy or whatever else you wish to think, it just means i corrected you on the mistakes you had made in this particular thread

I never once called you a fanboy. I've not called anyone a name or denigrated them. Not one time. Unless you feel Reaperite is a negative name. Which begs the question why? It's just a name for someone who has chosen to use Reaper as their DAW.

jupiter8 · Post by **jupiter8** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 4:10 pm

SJ_Digriz wrote:I really want to be able to eliminate the default buttons over the track list. But, for some reason that is still sacred.

What do you mean by that ? Just the track names in the Track Control Panel and nothing else ?

SJ_Digriz · Post by **SJ_Digriz** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 4:10 pm

HanafiH wrote:

lol

Would you still buy Reaper if it will cost you as much as the other DAWs ?