Would you still buy Reaper if it will cost you as much as the other DAWs ?

[Marcus797]

The kind you can only get in a superior thread.

hehe I guess I forget to include the obligatory "IMO" after superior.

[fateamenabletochange]

S Class is ugly lumpy overpriced and, ahem, boring

maybe there is something to this car analogy thing after all ??

[gpunk]

The car analogy is quite good

Cubase and so on = Off the production line sports car, will work mostly but will have some issues, that is what happens with sports cars

Reaper = Kitcar, You have to put a lot of effort in building it, it will fit you more than any other car you ever owned because you put so much time in, it may have issues but because you spent so much time you can come up with a fix in short order


Hahahahahahaha
I think that car anology works quite well

Oh by the way when did they start making Superior DAW, I have Superior drummer but didn't realise they had taken it further ?

[Fritze]

Is it fair priced? Only if the upgrade cycle is longer than 3 years. At the moment with the "Host Wars" going on, I think NO HOST is fair priced whatsoever.

Did you compare the upgrade pricing of the two meantioned DAWs?

[Fritze]

It's all come down to market share ...

...and the conversion of each fellow on here to one's desired DAW....

No. Not for me. You can use what you want. Got no problem with that.

[Fritze]

I mean why can't we all live together and make our choices and that's that instead of trying to convince everyone that our toys are better than theirs.

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well... uhmmm...

That's a cool way to give that complex answer.

[Fritze]

#1: Reaper is a minority host.
Am I wrong? Did it suddenly become one of the dominant industry DAWs? Is it proliferating in studios and post prod environments? Didn't think so.

Who cares? I can give a fukk on that.

Again don't take the statement out of context. A person made a statement about Price Driving adoption. My statement is simply a supporting statement for my side of the argument. This thread is about "would you buy Reaper if it cost more". It wasn't intended to be a comment on peoples decision to use Reaper. I know some very nice people who use Reaper. Bless their heart (bad redneck joke).

Hey, cool. I hope you din't take it the hard way. It was rather a general statement against that "the majority is always right". There once was a political ad which said: "People eat shit. Millions of flies can't be wrong!"

#2: Amazingly bad interface vs Price Point
Reaper has a virtually endless FREE full featured trial. People still don't use it. Why, because the interface sucks. Tell me a different reason.

"People" still don't use it? There are tons of people who use it, included myself.
I think it's a good thing to state your opinion as your opinion and refrain from generalizing what "people" want and do.

Of course there are people who use Reaper. GEEZ. We wouldn't be having this discussion if there weren't.

Why caveat every statement when you already know an opinion from a fact? However, my opinion on "people" is based on significant community involvement. Opinion? yes. Based on significant sampling of information? yes.

Ah come on. Don't take these things too serious. Everybody has their buttons and some people press them. And there, I pressed one of yours.
But good to know that you discern between fact and opinion the way I do.

[Fritze]

OPINION:

Most DAW users want to start it up and use it

Sure, Reaper is massively customizable. THAT IS AS MUCH A WEAKNESS AS A STENGTH!

But, even within the customization the interface remains twiddly. That's about the best I can explain. Using the mouse seems squishy and unresponsive, especially in the MIDI editor. Some of the dialog boxes that you HAVE TO USE are beyond awful. And, because of the way the UI is implemented, it will always look like a 1990s app, no matter which skin is drawn in the framework. At least I haven't seen one that doesn't.

:END OPINION

Massively agreed! Well said.

[hibidy]

#1: Reaper is a minority host.

[Fritze]

Oh and believe me it isn't just you by the way, the current influx of newer users on Reaper are completely the same, I have even been told by some that because a feature was implemented by the SWS team, it doesn't count and is unusable until Cockos implement it, and don't mention macros to them either, that makes them scream with anger that they have to put three actions together to get a feature they demand hahahaha

Kids these days...

Agreed.

[gpunk]

#1: Reaper is a minority host.

Being popular is obviously better surely, just look at Pop music, it is the pinnacle

[Fritze]

These are British Standard house bricks, which have a trapezoidal indentation on one side called a Frog, which the bricklayer places downwards onto a layer of mortar, to ensure a good key between the brick and the mortar. BBC construction contracts explicitly specify that bricklayers must lay BBC bricks upside down, thereby ensuring that the frog is completely filled with mortar, and thus ensuring that the wall is roughly 20% acoustically denser than standard brickwork.

They take acoustics very seriously at the Beeb.

Cool. didn't know you have standardized bricks. The Beeb procedure makes total sense to me.

[Fritze]

Yes i do find Reaperite negative when used in the context you used it where you bunched me with others who may act like fanboys and talk crap, all i did was correct your mistaken ideas about things in a software application, this however does beg the question of why are you being so defensive when all i have done is correct your mistakes ?

Oh, so much truth! I guess that was too much in one posting. But good, seriously.

[Fritze]

I think I know why Reaper is full of options and customizations, they want the user to do the dirty work to make something more useful out of a Chinese menu.
Why spend time in creating a user friendly interface simply efficient and effective workflow (because probably they lost the way to it by focusing to add to the kitchen basket. Here! This is the knife,pots and vegetables. Chop it and cook it yourself. BUT I thought a was in a 5 Star restaurant! Nope! $60 it is just a buffet. Just Kidding or... maybe not

While I partly disagree there are some interesting thoughts in there.
But first: Please define the be-all-end-all "user friendly interface with simply efficient and effective workflow".
I REALLY really would like to use it. And why not in Reaper? Would be cool. I don't foresee it coming. In no DAW.

[aMUSEd]

Ok I get that Reaper is a great bargain at 60$, it's the best bang-for-your-buck DAW on the market, etc... I get it, I really do.

But you're honestly telling me that if a DAW with far more (and better) features, workflow, etc... like Cubase or Logic was 60$ you would still go with Reaper?! Why drive a Honda if you can drive an S class Mercedes for the same price?

Well that is assuming they have "far better" features. tbh if Apple had never ditched Windows users I'd probably have stuck with Logic as I liked the environment and the instruments and effects are better than any other host so the point would be moot but since I stuck with Windows I had to go elsewhere, started off on Trackion and that got dumped on too so then switched to Reaper (after a brief flirtation with Project 5 which also got dumped - lucky me). The thing is what makes a host "far better" at the end of the day is not number of features per se but depends almost entirely on what you want from it in the first place. For me my ideal of a host is that it doesn't get in the way of my creative process and one that can capture as faithfully as possible my various noodles and improvisations. To do that it should have 4 things; tape recorder style recording, picture perfect automation (and for this I much prefer spline based approaches), the ability to record an instrument to audio as well as midi/automation, and (as I often make quite complex routings) the ability to do what I want in that respect rather than constrain me to a limited architecture. For those 4 things Reaper by far is the best host, I have tried them all and none are as good at all 4 together; some may be as good at single aspects (eg Podium has some good automation features and so does FL Studio but the former is weaker in the other areas and FL Studio is too pattern focussed for my liking). So Cubase may have better midi composition or scoring features but I don't care because that's not what I need - as far as I can see the things I need it does pretty badly, at least compared to Reaper, and so do Sonar and Studio One (both of which I own too).