Would you still buy Reaper if it will cost you as much as the other DAWs ?

[liquidsound]

The car analogy is quite good

Cubase and so on = Off the production line sports car, will work mostly but will have some issues, that is what happens with sports cars

Reaper = Kitcar, You have to put a lot of effort in building it, it will fit you more than any other car you ever owned because you put so much time in, it may have issues but because you spent so much time you can come up with a fix in short order


Hahahahahahaha
I think that car anology works quite well

Oh by the way when did they start making Superior DAW, I have Superior drummer but didn't realise they had taken it further ?

Yes it's good indeed! While you fix and adjust your little car the other guy is already at destination ready for another voyage
Please. This is starting to sound like a Reason group ( I'm a reason user for a loooong time)unnecessary defending a personal stubborn choice.

[liquidsound]

I think I know why Reaper is full of options and customizations, they want the user to do the dirty work to make something more useful out of a Chinese menu.
Why spend time in creating a user friendly interface simply efficient and effective workflow (because probably they lost the way to it by focusing to add to the kitchen basket. Here! This is the knife,pots and vegetables. Chop it and cook it yourself. BUT I thought a was in a 5 Star restaurant! Nope! $60 it is just a buffet. Just Kidding or... maybe not

While I partly disagree there are some interesting thoughts in there.
But first: Please define the be-all-end-all "user friendly interface with simply efficient and effective workflow".
I REALLY really would like to use it. And why not in Reaper? Would be cool. I don't foresee it coming. In no DAW.

No perfect but in energyXT the simple workflow is outstanding but again, far from perfect. I know that.

[trimph1]

Reaper as Deadmau5....

[Astromann]

But you're honestly telling me that if a DAW with far more (and better) features, workflow, etc... like Cubase or Logic was 60$ you would still go with Reaper?!Why? Why miss out on all the great features that you could get in a superior DAW for the same hypothetical price? Especially when you would hardly be giving up any features in return!

Nothing is that simple really, if it was everyone would be using the same DAW.
Logic has some better features (I used it since the Atari days...right thru to quite recently)
The Horizontal folders are better in Logic, cutting moving nesting tracks and doing multiple edits at the same time...it kicks Reapers ass in this area.
Then theres Global Input Quantize, new Audio features etc...
The envelopes are less fidgety too...and there is a bezier tool for envelope points that allows full curves or s curves.
And quantize offsets, humanize etcx...are right there on the main arrange page...whereas on Reaper they are in the midi editor.
But Reaper has a lot of features that are better than Logic.
The midi piano roll in Reaper has come a long way and it definitely is better than Logic is some areas, but I think it was SJ_Digriz that said it still has a slightly unresponsive feel to it (and thats probably right).
But I have gotten used to it and now work very fast in it, the midi filter is a big help too and allows me to do things I could not do easily in Logic.
Reaper is more resource efficient, more flexible and somehow sounds more stable than Logic (but that may be perception only)
All in all if Logic was the same price as Reaper and on the PC, I would use it, but I would not ditch Reaper.
But it has the world most expensive dongle (Power Mac) so I got tired of waiting for the new more powerful Mac (and more expensive) to run Logic...so it was a no brainer really.
Cheers

[danbroad]

in answer to the original question, no. it just hasn't clicked. Aside from Tracktion, nothing has.

[synthgeek]

Ok I get that Reaper is a great bargain at 60$, it's the best bang-for-your-buck DAW on the market, etc... I get it, I really do.

But you're honestly telling me that if a DAW with far more (and better) features, workflow, etc... like Cubase or Logic was 60$ you would still go with Reaper?! Why drive a Honda if you can drive an S class Mercedes for the same price?

I don't know much about the current incarnation of Cubase, but haven't liked any version I have tried one bit (last one was an LE version bundled with some hardware). I used to be a Sonar user (Cakewalk before that), but with every new version, I liked that less and less. Reaper is the first DAW I've ever used that does everything I want it to without some kind of workaround or add-on... well, I do use Bidule for oddball routings, but I could do all that in Reaper, with just a little more work.

Short answer: yes, I would still use Reaper even if I could get any other DAW for $60.

[liquidsound]

in answer to the original question, no. it just hasn't clicked. Aside from Tracktion, nothing has.

Tracktion Damn Mackie
Sometimes a dream Tracktion having the same fate as z3ta+ = Born Again

[Fritze]

In Cubase can you...
- Switch between all vst GUIs of one track to all vst GUIs of another track while closing the old ones?

No, but it's hardly a show stopper.

Not a show stopper but my BY FAR most used shortcuts have been CTRL + TAB and CTRL + W. This is so much easier now with Reaper. I'm talking about hundreds of clicks every day. Dunno if these are the standard shortcuts: For me it was flipping through all open windows and closing the most top window. I think that even included the arrange window. Do you really wanna close without saving? Oh no...

- What's the current limitation of possible VSTis?

Unlimited

Good, finally.

Does Cubase still have a limit of the amount of inserts per track? And same for sends?

Yes for both, but how many EQs, compressors and FX do you really need to make a good mix? Cubase slots are more than enough. In any case you can easily route tracks to group channels for more processing.

Yes, I remember routing tracks to groups back then. It was a nightmare because back then (SX2/N2) it was impossible to rearrange all kinda tracks freely. Possible now? In Reaper I have my folder/group tracks besides my other tracks.

There are lotsa situations where I easily go beyond that artificial insert/send count limitation. Making a group track every time for that? No thanks. It's just one insert more. And one more...

Personally I think less is more. I don't want a million customisable options. I want a program that allows me to get a musical idea down quickly and easily. Cubase does that in one of the best ways available. I like Reaper and have a lot of respect for what Justin has done with the program but for me Cubase stays on top because it has just the right balance between form and function.

I see your point. I'm not a fan of customization as a job in itself. But it can make it possible to let me do things more efficiently. E.g. how often do you use the phase invert button? I don't use it often. So in Reaper I can make it simply disappear when I don't need it. And this was a very simple example. Not talking about macros assigned to a custom icon on a custom toolbar.
Simplicity is good. Sometimes I just want to turn up the gain reduction knob on a LA2A style compressor. Sometimes I want to fully customize the sidechain of it.
Simplicity: There's only one kind of track in Reaper. Makes everything soooo much easier. No audio, midi, groups, returns, did I forget something? What a mess. Because back then they had certain limitations. Cubase: Not cool for me.

[HanafiH]

The expulsion of the Reaperites by the angel Cubasiel.

Everyone's entitled to a fantasy.

[SJ_Digriz]

The expulsion of the Reaperites by the angel Cubasiel.

And so it is written, and so shall it be.

[Mercado_Negro]

Would you still buy Reaper if it will cost you as much as the other DAWs?

Yes, definitely. It's not about money, it's about getting the job done with something you feel comfortable with.

[HanafiH]

The expulsion of the Reaperites by the angel Cubasiel.

And so it is written, and so shall it be.

[liquidsound]

Would you still buy Reaper if it will cost you as much as the other DAWs?

Yes, definitely. It's not about money, it's about getting the job done with something you feel comfortable with.

[Cap'n Spanky]

Would you still buy Reaper if it will cost you as much as the other DAWs?

No, I would stick with Cubase. BUT... I've been checking Reaper out and I'm seriousley thinking of switching.

Primarily because of the price and it appears it will do most things I need now. Also, a lot of the funtionality seems pretty intuitive for me.
Kind of reminds me of the Calkewalk/Sonar... which I grew up with.

[hibidy]

Time to put up or shut up with logic now.