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electro · Post by **electro** » Mon Nov 28, 2011 2:36 pm

Foxis wrote:Where is the love for Imposcar2? Sure it's not claiming to be analogue modelling this or component simulating that, but when playing it and going for the same kind of sounds of yesteryear that seems to be the target of Arturia, Diva, etc. then I really find Imp2 to be an extremely strong contender. It can sound very thick, warm and alive IMHO.

So, I'm surprised it gets no or little mention. Why is that...?

Imposcar 1 was a perfect clone of the OSCar and I think Imposcar 2 can sound identical Imposcar 1. Comparison files between the VSTI and the real OSCar

http://www1.keyboards.de/magazine/m0404/404022wp.html

Foxis · Post by **Foxis** » Mon Nov 28, 2011 2:44 pm

electro wrote:
Foxis wrote:Where is the love for Imposcar2? Sure it's not claiming to be analogue modelling this or component simulating that, but when playing it and going for the same kind of sounds of yesteryear that seems to be the target of Arturia, Diva, etc. then I really find Imp2 to be an extremely strong contender. It can sound very thick, warm and alive IMHO.

So, I'm surprised it gets no or little mention. Why is that...?
Imposcar 1 was a perfect clone of the OSCar and I think Imposcar 2 can sound identical Imposcar 1. Comparison files between the VSTI and the real OSCar

http://www1.keyboards.de/magazine/m0404/404022wp.html

Definitely! What I meant was simply that as far as I remember from the launch/marketing they didn't hype the technology behind the sound and there was no or little discussion about it. Still, it sounds awesome and is capable of so much more than "just" sounding like an Oscar. I find the timbre can get quite close to both JP8s and CS80s. Not that I own any to compare with, but still....

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Mon Nov 28, 2011 2:49 pm

Urs wrote: DIVA has 3 modules that reproduce the circuits of our two MS-20s, a Rev 1 and a Rev 2. They're called "Dual VCO2", "HPF Sallen-Key" and "LPF Sallen-Key".

Our Rev 2 Sallen-Key filter is closer to the real deal than current hardware recreations that are on offer, let alone software.

Sorry, didn't know that... just fair to compare it to Korg's MS-20 emulation then i guess.

Echoes in the Attic · Post by **Echoes in the Attic** » Mon Nov 28, 2011 2:55 pm

chk071 wrote:
Uncle E wrote:
Lotuzia wrote:As you kindly agreed that it was impossible to make Diva sound like a MS-20
While it doesn't sound the same as the MS-20, it sounds more like one than Korg's software MS-20 does.
Hm, pardon me, but that sounds a bit dubious to me... so, you say a synth whose oscillators and filters weren't modelled after a MS-20 sounds more like a MS-20 than a synths whose oscillators and filters were modelled after one? Excuse me if i don't believe that, even without trying to make Diva sound like a MS-20 (which is kinda pointless to me anyway as i don't really feel like a MS-20 is sonically a more desirable thing than a Minimoog for example ). Your enthusiasm in all honours, but i think that's a tiny bit too exaggerated...

Believe it or not, it's true. DIVA sounds much more like an MS-20 than the Korg software MS-20. And it actually sounds like a real one, rather than software. When Urs says it doesn't quite sound like an MS-20, I think he's being overly picky and doesn't want to make the claim himself that it sounds almost identical.

So no, not exaggerated. But I'm guessing you didn't realize that some of the oscillators and filters in DIVA were in fact modeled on the MS-20.

Lotuzia · Post by **Lotuzia** » Mon Nov 28, 2011 3:58 pm

Urs wrote:
chk071 wrote:
Uncle E wrote:
Lotuzia wrote:As you kindly agreed that it was impossible to make Diva sound like a MS-20
While it doesn't sound the same as the MS-20, it sounds more like one than Korg's software MS-20 does.
Hm, pardon me, but that sounds a bit dubious to me... so, you say a synth whose oscillators and filters weren't modelled after a MS-20 sounds more like a MS-20 than a synths whose oscillators and filters were modelled after one? Excuse me if i don't believe that, even without trying to make Diva sound like a MS-20 (which is kinda pointless to me anyway as i don't really feel like a MS-20 is sonically a more desirable thing than a Minimoog for example ). Your enthusiasm in all honours, but i think that's a tiny bit too exaggerated...
DIVA has 3 modules that reproduce the circuits of our two MS-20s, a Rev 1 and a Rev 2. They're called "Dual VCO2", "HPF Sallen-Key" and "LPF Sallen-Key".

Our Rev 2 Sallen-Key filter is closer to the real deal than current hardware recreations that are on offer, let alone software.

We've f**ked up with Rev 1, but even there I think we're closer than any approach in software we've heard.

We haven't done the envelopes as they don't have much to be desired. But we did add extensive patching options that exceed those of an MS-20 by a fair bit.

The next beta will furthermore have the filters in tune with key follow.

Patching options in the MS-20 can be much more complex that one commonly thinks, especially using the external signal processor part of it. Wich can be tied to the upper part of the synth. ( as its all modular

)

Here' a link to a page of the Synth project MC-20 controller so that people can see at the bottom of the patch an image of a possible patching, for those who could be interested ( there are much more complex possibilities however )

http://www.synth-project.de/The_Control ... oller.html

This ESP can be fully used in the Korg MS-20 Vsti form as well .....

And btw people can use the MS-20 Vsti as an Fx processor as well (VST form ) Very fine Fx btw.

The first software version also have an hardware controller wich is a lot of fun to use, especially for experimental sounds.

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Mon Nov 28, 2011 4:12 pm

Well, the most disappointing thing about the MS-20 patching is that you can't change the audio signal routing. You can also not do audio rate modulations other than the external signal input. And of course you can't do PWM.

As such it's rather semi modular than modular.

Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Mon Nov 28, 2011 6:43 pm

Foxis wrote:Since this thread has sort of degenerated into a "which softie can sound analogueish"

You can thank the OP.

Where is the love for Imposcar2?

I love it and choose it over the current version of Zebra every time. DIVA + ImpOSCar 2 is a fantastic combo, too.

Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Mon Nov 28, 2011 6:47 pm

chk071 wrote:Hm, pardon me, but that sounds a bit dubious to me... so, you say a synth whose oscillators and filters weren't modelled after a MS-20 sounds more like a MS-20 than a synths whose oscillators and filters were modelled after one? Excuse me if i don't believe that, even without trying to make Diva sound like a MS-20 (which is kinda pointless to me anyway as i don't really feel like a MS-20 is sonically a more desirable thing than a Minimoog for example ). Your enthusiasm in all honours, but i think that's a tiny bit too exaggerated...

It's as much an acknowledgment for DIVA as it is a dismissal of Korg's effort. To be straight, if you put up a real MS-20 against Korg's software MS-20, you'll hear that their raw oscillators and filters don't sound much alike.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Mon Nov 28, 2011 11:30 pm

A slow pad sound with Diva and using the 'secret' unison mode

http://draigathar.org/sounds/Diva17.wav

Syncretia · Post by **Syncretia** » Tue Nov 29, 2011 11:26 pm

Let's put this thread to bed. It's gotten way off topic. I opened this thread because I wanted to buy something that would take care of most of my analog needs. Arturia offers a very wide range with a very large selection of different synths and patches. I wanted to compare this to Zebra because I had heard that Zebra is a very flexible synth that does analog well. What I can say now is this:

Zebra is a great synth but don't buy it as an analog suite - it's not. Arturia Complete is surely a good package that might be worth buying. But, the general consensus is that the analog modeling technology in that suite is quite old. I can't really vouch for this, but what I can say is that Diva is a killer synth that just sounds great out of the box. It may not be a replacement for the entire Arturia Complete package, but the sounds that it does do, massacre the Minimoog V and Moog Modular V (according to my ears).

I already have Minimoog V and Moog Modular V and have pre-ordered Diva. I'm pretty comfortable with this range right now. It's worked out to be much better value because of Arturia's 2 for 1 deal at the moment. But, if I had to stick to 1 synth it would definitely be Diva.

Mogular · Post by **Mogular** » Wed Nov 30, 2011 12:14 am

pdxindy wrote:using the 'secret' unison mode

... and that would be

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Wed Nov 30, 2011 12:18 am

Mogular wrote:
pdxindy wrote:using the 'secret' unison mode
... and that would be

unison will be in the final release. You can currently enable unison voices in the beta by editing the 'voice stacking' in a preset via a text editor... clumsy but doable...

sfp · Post by **sfp** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 9:35 am

pdxindy wrote:A slow pad sound with Diva and using the 'secret' unison mode

http://draigathar.org/sounds/Diva17.wav

woouu !!! what a beautiful pad !

grandmasterbird · Post by **grandmasterbird** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 2:20 pm

I have no idea if the Korg MS20 software sounds anything like a real MS20 as I have never had the real one (nor am I likely to!), but I love the software all the same, I think it sounds awesome!

Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 6:42 pm

grandmasterbird wrote:I have no idea if the Korg MS20 software sounds anything like a real MS20 as I have never had the real one (nor am I likely to!)

DIVA sounds very close to the real thing so now you can find out for yourself.

u-He Zebra II Vs Arturia Complete (Analog)