Diva Vs. Real Analog

[Ingonator]

Diva sounds outstanding but will take my Slim Phatty and Mopho - plus they will always work with any future OS without wait or hassle.
Real analog still outpaces it by far....but for a easy portable setup softsynths are great.

Hm, nothing wrong with that. But Ingo said he has to wait 15 minutes until his SlimPhatty stays in tune. Or did I misunderstand that?

That's because it uses VCOs an no DCOs which in respect to the sound quality is much better but you have to wait until it stays in tune. Same is true for all other analog synths that use VCOs.
Anyway with the autotune feature you could also try to use it earlier than 15 minutes and do another autotune later. The original Minimoog did not have an autotune feature so you had to wait...


Ingo

[dsynth27]

Diva sounds outstanding but will take my Slim Phatty and Mopho - plus they will always work with any future OS without wait or hassle.
Real analog still outpaces it by far....but for a easy portable setup softsynths are great.

Hm, nothing wrong with that. But Ingo said he has to wait 15 minutes until his SlimPhatty stays in tune. Or did I misunderstand that?

That's because it uses VCOs an no DCOs which in respect to the sound quality is much better but you have to wait until it stays in tune. Same is true for all other analog synths that use VCOs.
Anyway with the autotune feature you could also try to use it earlier than 15 minutes and do another autotune later. The original Minimoog did not have an autotune feature so you had to wait...


Ingo

Well said and true about the oscillators! I do think VCO'S AND DCO'S sound different but that is almost the same argument about which sounds better between hardware/software (another old debate). Still boils down to preference but either is valid depending on the situation, cost, etc.
Best to have a bit of both (vco/dco/hardware/software)if you can afford it...cover all bases without being redundant.

[PietW.]

This X vs.Y is so boring and so unnecessary.

[dsynth27]

This X vs.Y is so boring and so unnecessary.

indeed

[Fritze]

as I said in my review of Synthix: both DIVA and Synthix nail it, ...

A synth that nails it for me is the one that gives me that certain something. Do you know that when certain things are there an armada of memories are triggered? Like certain feelings, certain moods, certain songs, etc.
When I tested Synthix I was very diasppointed as it didn't remind me remotely to the Synthex of my friend. The real one has certain special characteristics that I didn't find in the Xils emu.
On the other hand Diva gives me certain characteristics that I remind very well from playing the Mini or from certain recordings.

[Fritze]

This X vs.Y is so boring and so unnecessary.

Really? Then why do you care?

[Synth Buddha]

Lol @ the "fanboy" bullshit. U-He makes stuff that is just extremely good, and sells it for very reasonable prices. Makes me happy just thinking about it. If they came out with something crappy I'd be sure to speak my mind about it, but as it is every product they've put out since I've known about has been a total winner in pretty much every regard. Who wouldn't be happy about that? Honestly, you'd have to be a pretty desperate troll to be referring to people appreciative of great stuff as "fanboys."

[zlatan]

I have a few of the classic vintage analogs (minimoog, memorymoog, prophet 5, ms20 etc.) . I also have a Virus TI and tried the newer moog products (little phatty and voyager).

When I compared the new moogs with the old ones , I was immediately turned off.
The sound and feel was so different (clean , lifeless, watered down ) that I sold them soon after.
Diva on the other hand is wonderful ! It can be very similar to the old synths , but also very different and more modern thanks to all virtual extras.

I would pick Diva any day over most new hardware synths out now , it's just that good to me.

[dsynth27]

I have a few of the classic vintage analogs (minimoog, memorymoog, prophet 5, ms20 etc.) . I also have a Virus TI and tried the newer moog products (little phatty and voyager).

When I compared the new moogs with the old ones , I was immediately turned off.
The sound and feel was so different (clean , lifeless, watered down ) that I sold them soon after.
Diva on the other hand is wonderful ! It can be very similar to the old synths , but also very different and more modern thanks to all virtual extras.

I would pick Diva any day over most new hardware synths out now , it's just that good to me.

Again...like I have been saying it all depends on personal preference, how you hear, cost, situation, etc. you can make great music on either. New analog vs old etc. imo new vco's still sound the same as old gear (I have a Virus TI, Nord Rack and the analog gear to compare also - have played older gear as well) real analog sounds "real/better" (whether it's better depends on perspective, or willingness to pay more for hardware) otherwise software developers would not try to emulate hardware. It would seem to me that the point of emulation is because of the appreciation of the superior sound of analog hardware. Like a violin maker trying to emulate Stradivarius.....lol

[pdxindy]

Really, that Hans Zimmer uses Zebra doesn't make it a tiny little bit better or more interesting to me.

Nor did I (or anyone else) say it does or that it should interest you more. I mentioned it solely as one example of fitting in with other instruments because one poster implied that it does not do so well. Just cause a person finds it does not fit well for their uses, does not then mean that is necessarily a general characteristic of the synth.

But the same could be said about just every other synth. So you're not defending any specialty of Zebra. And it has quite some.

You're right... I wasn't defending any specialty of Zebra. The point had nothing specific to do with Zebra.

[pdxindy]

As always I'm a bit surprised by all the hype.
Sure, DIVA is great and again it brings something new to the table. But isn't it the same every half year?

New VSTi comes out.
People freak out about it, because NOW .. FINALLY .. analog sound has been nailed.
Half year later: "It's great, but it still misses >bla<, which analog Synth X/Y has. But this NEW synth now .. coming ut next month .. really does it .. can't wait to have it!"

That's why I'm asking for real comparisons. Maybe somebody with the hardware goodies is interested in doing some audios. For ABX consumption.

There were some in the gearslutz thread... go read that one

[hakey]

It would seem to me that the point of emulation is because of the appreciation of the superior sound of analog hardware.

It seems to me that it is sufficient for a thing to be considered interesting for it to be worth emulating.

Superiority - whatever that means in this context - need not come in to it.

[pdxindy]

as I said in my review of Synthix: both DIVA and Synthix nail it, ...

A synth that nails it for me is the one that gives me that certain something. Do you know that when certain things are there an armada of memories are triggered? Like certain feelings, certain moods, certain songs, etc.
When I tested Synthix I was very diasppointed as it didn't remind me remotely to the Synthex of my friend. The real one has certain special characteristics that I didn't find in the Xils emu.
On the other hand Diva gives me certain characteristics that I remind very well from playing the Mini or from certain recordings.

I haven't tried Synthix because it is dongled, so cannot comment on it other than from listening to audio demos. Diva definitely wow's!

The thing I learned from the gearslutz discussion about Diva is there is variation from Minimoog to Minimoog. Urs modeled a specific Minimoog and so there are characteristics in Diva from that specific one and someone might have their own Minimoog and say that Diva does not get the sound exactly the same as theirs.

[PietW.]

This X vs.Y is so boring and so unnecessary.

Really? Then why do you care?

Because nobody needs such threads.

[dsynth27]

It would seem to me that the point of emulation is because of the appreciation of the superior sound of analog hardware.

It seems to me that it is sufficient for a thing to be considered interesting for it to be worth emulating.

Superiority - whatever that means in this context - need not come in to it.

Hey...no worries. Truly, I am trying to speak to the merits of both hardware and software. I said that repeatedly on all of my posts. Please put my quotes in full context. Not trying to start a war here.