Diva Vs. Real Analog

[pdxindy]

I figured there is not much point to try the demo if I'm not gonna buy the thing... I liked the synthix audio demos, but they did not grab me like Diva did. Diva just sounds alive and full of vitality in an impressive sort of way.

Yeah, I understand. Sometimes a demo is interesting to know what people are talking about. I didn't plan to buy it either but sometimes stuff just blows me away and then I hopefully have the funds for it. That happened to me with VRoom.

Same here... bmanic posted a VRoom audio demo and I pretty much purchased based on that one demo. Yes I downloaded the demo, but mostly just to give it a cursory test.

PS - I find the gui of VRoom a bit annoying. With so few controls, I would much prefer them be all be available and not on two pages. Seems like a dumb choice. Otherwise it is superb!

[Lotuzia]

I haven't tried Synthix because it is dongled

It doesn't require a physical dongle - it's elicenser or something.

That said, as a generic emulation of the analogue sound, Diva absolutely kills it.

Fact.

Self proclaimed facts wont harm anybody, I suppose.

Just like when you were claiming that Xils-Lab had no zero-feedback filter, without the first beginning of a proof ( for good reasons )....

Just make Diva sounds like Synthix, if you want to prove something once in your life ...

I dont say that the SYnthix kills Diva for myself, but I have a quite good understanding about why they are sounding different.

Diva does not remotely try to emulate a Synthex. So why should Diva try to sound like an emu of a Synthex?
There are guys who love Strats and there are people who swear for their 335 etc etc. Just taste, man. Like the taste of your thousands of customers. Relax. All is good.

Yeah difference, that exactly what I was pointing out. Maybe your way to say it is better than mine. Synthix is not generic, I dont think that any synth is generic btw, including Diva.

And I dont think either that some synths "kill" some other synths.

[hakey]

Just like when you were claiming that Xils-Lab had no zero-feedback filter, without the first beginning of a proof

Where did I make that precise claim?* Whilst we're at it, where's the proof that Synthix implements a ZDFF?

Just make Diva sounds like Synthix, if you want to prove something once in your life

Why make a sow's ear from a silk purse?

I dont say that the SYnthix kills Diva for myself, but I have a quite good understanding about why they are sounding different.

Are we to understand that you're a dsp programmer now? Is there no end, or should that be beginning, to your talents?

*Edit: You're quite right, I said that here. Urs' response a couple of posts later is interesting.

[Sascha Franck]

I'll take your glitches and drop outs, and raise them with a detune!

That is just incredible. It's actually tough to believe that this video isn't faked (but I believe it isn't).
And it's pretty much one of the reasons I (as a guitar player) am not using whatever "originals" anymore live (and I do own at least some of them) but "emulations". Saved my ass more than just once, believe me.

- Sascha

[Fritze]

Saved my ass more than just once, believe me.

- Sascha

These are the stories, man! No doubt at all.

[Fritze]

And I dont think either that some synths "kill" some other synths.

Right. I only believe in taste and that things should MOVE me. If they do (in a good way of course!) then I hope to be able to afford them. My wish list is relatively short ATM.

[Syncretia]

I wrote a song last night. I used about 5 or 6 instances of Diva for the lead, and 1 for the bass. Diva is a bountiful source of inspiration for me. I don't own any analog synths so I can't compare, but I can tell you that this is the first time I've used an instrument and felt like I was an organic instrument like a piano or a guitar. I used a couple of presets out of the box and for some reason the instrument just really responds to velocity changes and after touch like no other instrument I have ever used.

I bought the NI Komplete bundle a while back. Apart from a few presets in Reaktor and a couple here and there in Absynth, nothing just made me jump out of my chair like Diva. They say there are 10,000 presets in Komplete. It's funny because I had to sift through 9990 before I found any sounds that were begging to be made in to a tune. With Diva, every time I open it up, there is a new tune absolutely screaming to be written. Whenever I feel something is missing from a track, I just break out Diva and instantly I get that something that was missing.

A @#$#ing +1 for Diva.

Haha, that video is the main reason I have been reluctant to invest in analog gear so far. I would never try to play one live, but I just figure if a piece of equipment actually manages to slow down your workflow, or makes the songwriting experience less enjoyable, it's a big minus for real analog. Modern analog synths still seem to have this problem every now and then as well.

[munchkin]

Thanks ariston and Urs, that explains it very well. When do you think CPU's will be powerful enough to advance this process even further? What I mean is, are softsynth coders still holding back waiting for even more powerful CPU's? Is there any limit to how far the coding can go before new forms of coding are needed?

[djanthonyw]

Analog sound is great but the workflow absolutely SUCKS.. Diva brings the sound of analog in the superior format of digital plugin workflow. It doesn't get any better than that.

[munchkin]

One last question, every copy of an analog synth sounds slightly different but when I use a softsynth it will sound like everyone else who owns it. Will it be possible for every copy of a softsynth to have its own sound like an analog synth?

[randyandyvandaman]

The title for this thread is a little/ lot misleading.

Diva and all these other soft synths will never be analogue.

Over the last few days there have been at least ten other threads with the title Diva. Last year it was Ace.

One of them was regarding Receptor and how one idiot said all you needed was Diva and a supercomputer and receptor.

Now thats a hefty investment you couldnt get with a dedicated workstation. Not!!!

If some of you cant tell the difference between when an analogue compressor kicks in compared to a digital one well then you know the rest of the story.

All you'll get with the digital one is color and not character like analogue.

Theres a reason why people like George Massenberg have never allowed for the recreation of his products into the digital domain.

You cannot recreate real voltage topologies ( vco,vcf, vco.)digitally .There are way too variables

Some of you I'm sure own some analogue and soft synths but stop blowing smoke up the devs arse.

Cheers

[dsynth27]

The title for this thread is a little/ lot misleading.

Diva and all these other soft synths will never be analogue.

Over the last few days there have been at least ten other threads with the title Diva. Last year it was Ace.

One of them was regarding Receptor and how one idiot said all you needed was Diva and a supercomputer and receptor.

Now thats a hefty investment you couldnt get with a dedicated workstation. Not!!!

If some of you cant tell the difference between when an analogue compressor kicks in compared to a digital one well then you know the rest of the story.

All you'll get with the digital one is color and not character like analogue.

Theres a reason why people like George Massenberg have never allowed for the recreation of his products into the digital domain.

You cannot recreate real voltage topologies ( vco,vcf, vco.)digitally .There are way too variables

Some of you I'm sure own some analogue and soft synths but stop blowing smoke up the devs arse.

Cheers

+1
Well said....Diva sounds great but if you want analog you need an analog hardware synth. Like I said earlier...hardware in the studio is a must for me. On stage either would work...I have heard about problems with hardware gear and computer based setups.

[goldenanalog]

This may not be a good example of high-level computer-hardware integration, but I have Arturia's Spark- it can completely fool you into believing that the hardware interface itself is actually doing something sonically as opposed to just functioning as a high-level controller.

I give HUGE props to individuals like Urs and Xavier who through blood, sweat, and tears raise the bar ever higher.

[musikmachine]

Analog sound is great but the workflow absolutely SUCKS.. Diva brings the sound of analog in the superior format of digital plugin workflow. It doesn't get any better than that.

Yeah but at the cost of some serious cpu.

[dsynth27]

Analog sound is great but the workflow absolutely SUCKS.. Diva brings the sound of analog in the superior format of digital plugin workflow. It doesn't get any better than that.

Your opinion...may not be the preferred workflow for everyone. I like both depending on the situation. True - it does not get better than having choice/options...