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teacue · Post by **teacue** » Tue Jan 03, 2012 11:52 am

[edited]Question asked too fast!

anterroir · Post by **anterroir** » Tue Jan 03, 2012 1:33 pm

concert strings II - all keys one octave lower

I was trying to build expression maps for Cubase6 today and stumbled over the key mapping. Everything is mapped an octave lower than it should be. Like smooth articulation on c#0 as instead of c#1 ... in the beginning I thought it was just the keyswitches but the lowest starting note of the violins were a G2, violas C2. I have no midi modifiers or whatsoever activated ? That just seems weird. (Kontakt 5.0.1)

kcisANDderit · Post by **kcisANDderit** » Tue Jan 03, 2012 4:14 pm

anterroir wrote:concert strings II - all keys one octave lower

I was trying to build expression maps for Cubase6 today and stumbled over the key mapping. Everything is mapped an octave lower than it should be. Like smooth articulation on c#0 as instead of c#1 ... in the beginning I thought it was just the keyswitches but the lowest starting note of the violins were a G2, violas C2. I have no midi modifiers or whatsoever activated ? That just seems weird. (Kontakt 5.0.1)

you can set the keyswitches to whatever midi note you want (above or below the instruments range, of course) in the SETTINGS menu

it's all relative what the octave is named. the two DAWS i own have middle C named differently

DarkStar · Post by **DarkStar** » Tue Jan 03, 2012 4:19 pm

@anterroir,

Are you saying that all the "note names", for key-switches and playable notes, are one octave adrift? If so, then you might consider setting the Preference / Option in your host (Cubase, I guess) to offset the names.

Or that the Smooth articulation is showing up as C#0 in your host but the playable key ranges are OK?

I have seen different hosts refer to "middle C2 (MID note # 60) as C3, C4 and C5.

Looking at the Frequency Range chart in the Miroslav User Manual,
-- violins are shown as G2 - A6
-- violas are shown as C2 - A5

DarkStar · Post by **DarkStar** » Tue Jan 03, 2012 4:22 pm

kcisANDderit wrote:you can set the keyswitches to whatever midi note you want (above or below the instruments range, of course) in the SETTINGS menu

I think that whatever it is set to, it will be named on a different octave in Concert Strings. offsetting the names in the host is the answer, I believe (as the note naming convention is fixed within the Concert Strings scripts).

anterroir · Post by **anterroir** » Tue Jan 03, 2012 4:23 pm

I know they are relative and yes I know about the settings menu.

Let say say I change a keyswitch manually to C2 in the settings menu I still have to play a C1 on the keyboard to trigger it. And thats plain weird as I have no transpose options triggered nor any input transformers active.

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*edit

yes they are all adrift, it's not a big bummer but maybe other Cubase users can look into that, confirm it and you can state that in the manual

DarkStar · Post by **DarkStar** » Tue Jan 03, 2012 4:25 pm

^^^^
What is the MIDI note name range (from MIDI note #0 to #127) in your host? THat, I believe, is what needs adjusting.

anterroir · Post by **anterroir** » Tue Jan 03, 2012 4:27 pm

DarkStar wrote:^^^^
What is the MIDI note name range (from MIDI note #0 to #127) in your host? THat, I believe, is what needs adjusting.

C-2

DarkStar · Post by **DarkStar** » Tue Jan 03, 2012 4:30 pm

Set it to -C1 (or C-1) and the names will match up in the host and in Concert Strings.

That's what I've done here (in Reaper)

anterroir · Post by **anterroir** » Tue Jan 03, 2012 4:43 pm

*edit* transposing doesn't solve the number problem

Thanks at all

EdC · Post by **EdC** » Tue Jan 03, 2012 4:44 pm

As stated already midi note names is a convention and every developer (be it sampler dev, daw and alike) choose the offset he likes; what is standard and never change is the note number. In this way, for instance, note number 45 is the same note, the same key switch and the same key command for whatever software you are using

DarkStar · Post by **DarkStar** » Tue Jan 03, 2012 4:51 pm

anterroir wrote:It isn't that easy in Cubase but it's working with the Midi Modifier inserted in every track set to transpose one octave. (Shouldn't there be a standard about this)

Thanks at all

The problem is: there are several standards.

anterroir · Post by **anterroir** » Tue Jan 03, 2012 5:01 pm

EdC wrote:As stated already midi note names is a convention and every developer (be it sampler dev, daw and alike) choose the offset he likes; what is standard and never change is the note number. In this way, for instance, note number 45 is the same note, the same key switch and the same key command for whatever software you are using

But then it doesn't make sense to show the hardscripted key names in your plugin <- as in Cubase key number 25 is a C0 opposed to a C1 the KH Kontakt script is showing. That gives you two options - name that in the manual or add a function in the script to change the root note as in it's current state it shows wrong names for some people/daws.

Don't get me wrong here - I don't really want to nitpick but thats the first time in 10 years I stumbled over that matter and it was just confusing at first.

EdC · Post by **EdC** » Tue Jan 03, 2012 5:14 pm

Hi Anterroir,
I understand your issue and I agree than this can seem confusing but the problem is not from Kirk but for rules concerning MIDI standards.

If you like you can find a better explanation here

http://tomscarff.110mb.com/midi_analyse ... ctaves.htm

cheers

anterroir · Post by **anterroir** » Tue Jan 03, 2012 5:25 pm

It's okay, I wrapped my head around all that.

So it would be nice if Kirk can add an option to change the displayed notes according to the root note of the daw - like midi note 0 = insert root here or if that ain't possible just note in the "manual" it that a c#1 displayed is a c#0 in Cubase.

Saves trouble for other Cubase people asking the same question.

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