Windows 8 tablets, ipad killer??

[Laguna Rising]

Well, I guess that once developers put out some better daw-apps made to be used with touchscreed instead of mouse I will jump on it.
Not sure it'll be an iPad-killer...

[distant_signal]

its my understanding that the new intel atom processors that will be running windows 8 in x86 which supports all x86 coded software. which means legacy driver support and support for any software your current windows 7 platform runs.

[BMoore]

Imminent release?!

[polaris20]

The beauty of the iPad is it's simplicity. Once you start adding sh!t is loses its appeal (ironically).

I'll be sticking with my iPad.

Isn't the iPad filled with sh!t already? What do you call the vast majority of the thousands of apps that have being announced since it appeared?
If you keep it simple, you'll just have a giant iPhone that has worse camera and don't even make phone calls.
But, OTOH, it's very "in", and gives you status, as all the other fashion crap does.

WTF are you talking about?

The iPad comes with probably less than a screen's worth of apps. You can buy/download for free whatever you want. Saying it's a giant iPhone that you can't make calls is pretty ignorant, and shows you've not spent any significant amount of time with one.

[fmr]

iPad has already some good and usable ( i used em live ) music apps.
win8 on tablets won't run legacy software so it will take another year to have some good stable win8 music apps so ... you figure it out

remember that a great hardware is nothing without good stable software.

If it runs Windows 8, it will run everything that runs in Windows 8. h Microsoft OSes have a tradition of retro compatibility that means they can run VERY OLD applications.
My Windows 7 machine runs software created for Windows 98. Let's see how Windows 8 behaves in this aspect, but your state implies that they run a special version of the oS, which, for what I know, is not the case, therefore, they will be able to run the same software that runs in laptops and desktops.
Again, I am talking for what I read regarding the presentation of the Samsung tablt. Let's wait and see, but the concept is a big step forward in the tablet concept, since it will be, in fact, a laptop without anything else but the display.
When you arrive home, you connect it to a base, and you have a desktop.
And you have eSata and USB3, etc.
The COU is an Intel i5, and you have 4GB of RAM. The specs are outraging, nothing that can be compared with an iPad.

[distant_signal]

Imminent release?!

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[polaris20]

iPad has already some good and usable ( i used em live ) music apps.
win8 on tablets won't run legacy software so it will take another year to have some good stable win8 music apps so ... you figure it out

remember that a great hardware is nothing without good stable software.

If it runs Windows 8, it will run everything that runs in Windows 8. h Microsoft OSes have a tradition of retro compatibility that means they can run VERY OLD applications.
My Windows 7 machine runs software created for Windows 98. Let's see how Windows 8 behaves in this aspect, but your state implies that they run a special version of the oS, which, for what I know, is not the case, therefore, they will be able to run the same software that runs in laptops and desktops.
Again, I am talking for what I read regarding the presentation of the Samsung tablt. Let's wait and see, but the concept is a big step forward in the tablet concept, since it will be, in fact, a laptop without anything else but the display.
When you arrive home, you connect it to a base, and you have a desktop.
And you have eSata and USB3, etc.
The COU is an Intel i5, and you have 4GB of RAM. The specs are outraging, nothing that can be compared with an iPad.

What you're saying is not universally true at all. Windows 8 will also run on ARM chips, which is what they're targeting for tablets for reasons of size and battery life. However the code that runs on the ARM chips will have to be compiled for it. This means that just because Cubase runs on the x86 desktop/laptop version of Windows 8 doesn't mean it'll run on a Windows 8 tablet.

Of course there might still be Windows 8 tablets running shitty Atom processors that are x86, and then it'll run legacy code. But not all of them will be running Atoms (or ULV Core series).

[distant_signal]

Can't see atom processors comfortably running windows 8. Also amd powered tablets will only run metro coded apps,the weaker flavor of windows 8 so, no x86 support.

[ras.s]

Yea true, it won't kill it, didn't express that earlier. It just brings more variety to this hocus-pocus we call personal computing. It's not like the iPad as such could even be 'born' on certain markets - it was in the news that Indians just ordered 1,4 million Aakash-tablets, and they're wanting more. IPad will probably live for decades, they don't even give them version numbers, they just sell the same package that works - they're the new Mac right? Quite likely, even decades after, they won't be addressing the majority of humankind. Yet there's still markets big enough for all of the three platforms to prosper. The developing countries are quickly picking on computing, and these tablets are going to be major part of that - and probably Apple won't go feasting on them.




But in our musical context, I think such a Windows device would be 'killer'.

[bM3w]

Apple gave us the iPod, Microsoft gave us the Zune. Apple gave us iOS, Microsoft gave us Windows Mobile.

Hard to blieve you are a "tech marketer" as you call yourself. You do know that Windows Mobile was there before ios? If at all ios was the answer to Windows Mobile. And to complete the story: Microsofts answer to ios is Windows Phone, which is a completely different product compared to Windows Mobile.

I think you're a little biased

Back to topic: Windows 8 can be as simple as an iPad via it's Metro interface and it's apps written particularly for it, but it also can get as complex as a PC with a full Windows in the back pocket. So technically that's clearly an iPad killer. If it's going to be an iPad killer in terms of market share, well, I guess time will tell.

[polaris20]

Yea true, it won't kill it, didn't express that earlier. It just brings more variety to this hocus-pocus we call personal computing. It's not like the iPad as such could even be 'born' on certain markets - it was in the news that Indians just ordered 1,4 million Aakash-tablets, and they're wanting more. IPad will probably live for decades, they don't even give them version numbers, they just sell the same package that works - they're the new Mac right? Quite likely, even decades after, they won't be addressing the majority of humankind. Yet there's still markets big enough for all of the three platforms to prosper. The developing countries are quickly picking on computing, and these tablets are going to be major part of that - and probably Apple won't go feasting on them.




But in our musical context, I think such a Windows device would be 'killer'.

Well said. Nothing has to be an iPad killer (or the other trendy one "iPhone killer") to be successful. The market can generally support 3 major competitors.

[eDrummist]

Apple gave us the iPod, Microsoft gave us the Zune. Apple gave us iOS, Microsoft gave us Windows Mobile.

Hard to blieve you are a "tech marketer" as you call yourself. You do know that Windows Mobile was there before ios? If at all ios was the answer to Windows Mobile. And to complete the story: Microsofts answer to ios is Windows Phone, which is a completely different product compared to Windows Mobile.

I think you're a little biased

Back to topic: Windows 8 can be as simple as an iPad via it's Metro interface and it's apps written particularly for it, but it also can get as complex as a PC with a full Windows in the back pocket. So technically that's clearly an iPad killer. If it's going to be an iPad killer in terms of market share, well, I guess time will tell.

I don't know what you're saying. You've apparently misread my post. I worked in marketing on what was one of the most successful Windows Mobile phones (using Windows Mobile) and also worked on a co-branded phone with Apple. My point was that Windows Mobile was Microsoft's try at a mobile OS when it really mattered and it was a failure. iOS was Apple's first attempt at a mobile OS when it really mattered and it was a success. Microsoft losing that opportunity to own the market will be, imo, the largest single factor in the decline of the brand/company. Let me be clear, Windows Mobile was a failure and Microsoft is very unlikely to overtake the market with their new mobile OS and become the leading consumer mobile OS at this point. It's just not going to happen. The odds are as likely as Bing overtaking Google.

When Microsoft released Windows Mobile, they had a golden opportunity to own the market. I was in the mobile phone industry, as I mentioned, working on the biggest selling Windows mobile phone. Microsoft was an incredibly larger company than Apple and their was no iPhone, but everyone in the industry knew it was coming. Microsoft had a multi-year start to get their OS worked out. They failed. Now Microsoft is going to have to play catchup to Apple's iOS and Android; that's an incredibly tougher battle for Microsoft. I suspect Microsoft will be most successful with the enterprise market, but won't be very successful with the consumer market. At least, it won't be taking away a sizable market share from Apple; I'm certain of it.

- Peter

[fmr]

iPad has already some good and usable ( i used em live ) music apps.
win8 on tablets won't run legacy software so it will take another year to have some good stable win8 music apps so ... you figure it out

remember that a great hardware is nothing without good stable software.

If it runs Windows 8, it will run everything that runs in Windows 8. h Microsoft OSes have a tradition of retro compatibility that means they can run VERY OLD applications.
My Windows 7 machine runs software created for Windows 98. Let's see how Windows 8 behaves in this aspect, but your state implies that they run a special version of the oS, which, for what I know, is not the case, therefore, they will be able to run the same software that runs in laptops and desktops.
Again, I am talking for what I read regarding the presentation of the Samsung tablt. Let's wait and see, but the concept is a big step forward in the tablet concept, since it will be, in fact, a laptop without anything else but the display.
When you arrive home, you connect it to a base, and you have a desktop.
And you have eSata and USB3, etc.
The COU is an Intel i5, and you have 4GB of RAM. The specs are outraging, nothing that can be compared with an iPad.

What you're saying is not universally true at all. Windows 8 will also run on ARM chips, which is what they're targeting for tablets for reasons of size and battery life. However the code that runs on the ARM chips will have to be compiled for it. This means that just because Cubase runs on the x86 desktop/laptop version of Windows 8 doesn't mean it'll run on a Windows 8 tablet.

Of course there might still be Windows 8 tablets running shitty Atom processors that are x86, and then it'll run legacy code. But not all of them will be running Atoms (or ULV Core series).

Did you read what I wrote - these models will be i5 CPUs - not "shitty Atom processors that are x86".
I didn't said it would be universally true. I said that THIS machine was already presented, and will be ready on the market, the moment Windows 8 will be launched, in the second half of 2012.
That's what interests me. I don't care if there will be weaker models, with ARM processors - there will be models capable of running a true OS, with true applications. And I also don't care if it wil kill iPad or not (it wont, of course). There is space in the market for everybody .

[UltraJv]

Seems like this is a hot topic. It kinda crossed over with this thread too :

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... sc&start=0

[cryophonik]

Yes, this will be the final nail in the iPad coffin, just like all those mp3 players have killed the iPod.