Ableton shippers jumping off.

[dusted william]

I think Live 8 is getting more and more popular...

dw

[ObsoleteAcc99]

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[djanthonyw]

this is weird to say the least. ive been think of creating a thread like this for the last week since i saw somebody say deadmau5 uses fl studio and another user said, deadmau uses live. and that got me thinking, so i went to wikipedia and was amazed when i saw abletons been stagnant at version 8 since 2009! then i had another thought which was, 'flstudio is on version 10, going on 11 and is getting even better with every update. flstudio is no toy anymore. im also wondering about reapers future. what started off as a incredible piece of software has become slower in updates and features with every new version. im surprised how powerful fl studio is getting. if i were ableton id be afraid.

I'm amazed at how people are actually concerned with how long a particular piece of software has been on a major version number and updates.

you only say that cause like me u r used to it as a logic user

kidding having a gentle dig.

Yea, I hear ya, but even Logic is updated more frequently now, however that's never made me say anything like "oh, yea, now I"m definitely sticking with this product because it's getting 12 updates a day to feed my update A.D.D... it has to be a good product if it's updated this many times!".

[gckilla]

If you read interviews of established electronic artists...they rarely update their daw. It does the job already.

[Mushy Mushy]

If you read interviews of established electronic artists...they rarely update their daw. It does the job already.

Agreed. I have no desire whatsoever to update from Live 8 or Cubase 4.

[LBN]

flstudio is no toy anymore. im also wondering about reapers future.

Reaper has freeze; Fruity Loops doesn't.

CHECKMATE!

[jonnyG]

If you read interviews of established electronic artists...they rarely update their daw. It does the job already.

Agreed. I have no desire whatsoever to update from Live 8 or Cubase 4.

True. If your gear is your livelihood then the possibility of breaking something by running an update of any kind is not a risk that should be undertaken lightly.

Anyways (rash generalisation alert) most programs tend to assume their essential functionality paradigm early on. When Live's racks and Sampler were released they were a welcome addition to the program, but I could live without them if I had to. I had already bought Live because I just gelled with the way it worked as a whole (if that makes sense).
When Live 8 was released I didn't update because I had no interest in Max4Live. Maybe when V9 is released it'll contain a feature that will make me rush out and buy it (after a few months when the bugs are ironed out). Or maybe someone will release a completely new daw that will suit me even better and my copy of Live V7 will go up for sale.

[lockheart]

I'm amazed at how people are actually concerned with how long a particular piece of software has been on a major version number and updates.

Agreed. If you can't make a masterpiece with Live 8, you aren't going to be able to make it with Live 11.

[ZenPunkHippy]

Rubbish. Live is just as popular as ever. No sign of slow down regarding Live users requesting plugin support, here.

Peace,
Andy.

[risome]

Boy there sure are a lot of people jumping off of the Live 8 bandwagon at the moment. I wonder were they are are landing.

<BONES>IDIOTS!</BONES>



You will pry my copy of Live from the clutches of my cold dead hands.

+1 to that bro

[dusted william]

Boy there sure are a lot of people jumping off of the Live 8 bandwagon at the moment. I wonder were they are are landing.

<BONES>IDIOTS!</BONES>



You will pry my copy of Live from the clutches of my cold dead hands.

+1 to that bro

agreed

[redranger]

Well I just jumped on the ship and upgraded to Live 8 from Live Lite. I've been wanting to for a while now and the 25% off deal proved to be very enticing. Let the addiction begin!

[tapper mike]

Just adding my voice to the chorus.

I work at a software company that doesn't set time tables for the release of our software. We figure it this way. When the fruit is ripe it falls from the tree. Some times great ideas take a bit longer to work out and setting a date means you could put a few whistles and bells but not really add significantly to the product. Or you could put out a really really buggy version and piss off your customers when it breaks down or doesn't fullfill the expectations promises. Better to wait and have something that is really good and little to no bugs as opposed to something else.


As for logic. No one builds hardware for logic like they do specifically for Live. Selling logic on the chaap doesn't mean logic is better then some other product that costs more. With Apple they can sell logic for cheaper then it costs them to build because they can offset costs elsewhere. This is a price dumping method that has been used through out history to create a monopoly. And while it may pan out eventually for Apple while other companies fizzle because they have expenses to meet that can't be offset by other means. Fortunately Apple isn't the only OS in the game.

OSX accounts for 7.31% of operating systems that can surf the net. (including phones and ipads/tablets
XP, Vista and Windows 7 combined account for 77.69 operating systems with internet capability.

So, If ableton live was kicked off of apples operating system due to dumping by Apple it would only account for less then 10 percent of sales. AND it would mean that ableton would be able to streamline production having only to design for Windows operatng systems.

Now this may come as a shock to those who only run OSX but most software titles that are designed for windows and OSX run better and with more features then they do on OSX. Which is why there is so much popularity of running Windows on mac computers be it VMware, Parallels, or Bootcamp. If OSX truely did all things equally or better there would be niether need nor desire to run a windows os on a mac.

[TitusRaindrops]

Just adding my voice to the chorus...

I wasted more years of my life writing software for, supporting applications for, and endless hours debugging problems with various versions of Windows than I care to contemplate. Just because people use it doesn't mean it's good. Just because people buy it doesn't make it reliable. Just because it's a recent version doesn't make it secure. The truth is that windows is a mess and to keep it running and healthy ends up taking more effort and time than using it. And that's why I don't use it anymore, for music (I have to use it for work). And that gave me a huge chunk of my life back (time that has probably been wasted, but at least it was mine again).

Also, no software company has a worse record for price dumping and anti-competitive practices than Microsoft. This is what they were indicted and prosecuted for by the Dept of Justice. Remember?

[grymmjack]

@tapper+titus: exactly.

I think people at KVR, myself included, are just used to being spoiled by raining updates and new major versions scheduled around trade shows, etc.

The lack of such from Ableton is IMO, a great thing because it means they are getting it right as promised by their CEO. They aren't pushing out a crap product for the sake of a version number increase or to exploit their userbase.

The fact of it is; the people who write Live, also are it's users and are habitually addicted to it. This is something that separates the Abes from the rest IMO. I'm not saying people who work at Cakewalk don't use Sonar, or at Steinberg Cubase, but those software teams probably aren't as visionary or brave - they've been copying each other for the past decade.

Ableton is an innovative company, and as a result I think they have the right ideas and won't let us down. I wouldn't care if we were stuck with Live 8 forever, as long as it's stable and adds 64 bit eventually.

What's going to be interesting is when the new school companies like bitwig finally show up with a product (some developers there are ex-ableton).