Ableton shippers jumping off.

[LawrenceF]

. What's going to be interesting is when the new school companies like bitwig finally show up with a product (some developers there are ex-ableton).

That little graphic tease is interesting isn't it?

[ZenPunkHippy]

OSX accounts for 7.31% of operating systems that can surf the net. (including phones and ipads/tablets
XP, Vista and Windows 7 combined account for 77.69 operating systems with internet capability.

So, If ableton live was kicked off of apples operating system due to dumping by Apple it would only account for less then 10 percent of sales. AND it would mean that ableton would be able to streamline production having only to design for Windows operatng systems.

This assumes the percentage of total Windows users who purchase audio software is the same as the percentage of total Mac users who purchase audio software ... but our experience (at Camel) and that of other plugin developers suggests otherwise.

The split is 50% sales to Mac/Win, possibly slightly more to Mac users ... so if that's also true for hosts, Ableton would be losing 50% of revenue by ceasing to develop for Mac. So probably not going to happen any time soon.

Peace,
Andy.

[alexfalcao]

Well I just jumped on the ship and upgraded to Live 8 from Live Lite. I've been wanting to for a while now and the 25% off deal proved to be very enticing. Let the addiction begin!

+1, just Upgraded to Live 8 Suite From Live 7. I have other 2 DAWs but Live is hard to beat for creativity.

[jonnyG]

Oh dear, it took two pages to swerve down the a "my OS is better than yours" cul-de-sac. So long as Abes don't abandon the C/R server...

What I would be interested in is a breakdon of the numbers of users who are still on previous versions 'cos they've not been tempted to upgrade yet.

[trimph1]

How about those who are happy with the DAW as it is?

[hibidy]

Iapps stole your mothers softwares.

[UncleAge]

The split is 50% sales to Mac/Win, possibly slightly more to Mac users

I've heard this stated in another thread by a few devs some time ago. I hope the idea of more sales encourages more devs to make their apps cross platform and not just win>osx but the other way around as well. By that stat alone a dev could (all things being equal) double their sales just by making a plug available to the other major platform (sorry Linux, I have never heard how sales are on that platform). So, as much as I love my iMac the majority of my years on computers is grounded in Windows. Had Numerology been available for my win system I wouldn't have shelled out for the iMac. It wasn't the only reason to get an iMac but it did help move the dial a bit.

@ OP: I don't think that Live is experiencing any drop in popularity. One thing to consider is how easy it is to sell Live versus some of the other hosts. You can't resell Sonar in the U.S. Cubase requires the dongle thing to happen at some level. PT no longer requires their hardware but it did for years. Reaper is so dirt cheap that most folks don't bother. And blah, blah - you get the idea. However, the Abes (bless their heart) have a pretty hassle free transfer process. Who knows the real why's behind it all but some of that may be a factor.

[pc999]

So long as Abes don't abandon the C/R server...

Personally I would prefer a a more user friendly copy protection system, it isnt like it isnt widely pirated anyway.

Or, at the worst, something that really protect them but keep it somewhat nice for the user, like Reason.

[Johnny!]

Renoise's copy protection is simple yet effective - you got your name engraved into the software files so its highly unlikely that you'll share it with anyone.

OSX accounts for 7.31% of operating systems that can surf the net. (including phones and ipads/tablets
XP, Vista and Windows 7 combined account for 77.69 operating systems with internet capability.

So, If ableton live was kicked off of apples operating system due to dumping by Apple it would only account for less then 10 percent of sales. AND it would mean that ableton would be able to streamline production having only to design for Windows operatng systems.

This assumes the percentage of total Windows users who purchase audio software is the same as the percentage of total Mac users who purchase audio software ... but our experience (at Camel) and that of other plugin developers suggests otherwise.

The split is 50% sales to Mac/Win, possibly slightly more to Mac users ... so if that's also true for hosts, Ableton would be losing 50% of revenue by ceasing to develop for Mac. So probably not going to happen any time soon.

Peace,
Andy.

Let's not forget that cracking scene is so much larger on windows platform as far as I know, so OSX folks were just forced to buy software. Macs being so expensive hence people owning it being richer and therefore more likely to buy things anyway is another thing.

so - windows sales does not equal windows userbase, I highly doubt more people use Macs for music making, especially in poorer countries (but I guess "professionals" use Macs mostly)

[hibidy]

Or, at the worst, something that really protect them but keep it somewhat nice for the user, like Reason.

[dusted william]

I've been told that for big audio FX plugin companies that at least the support requests for Mac and PC sales are about even. That number pretty much blew my mind...

read into that as you may, but I'd assume that for audio software, mac sales are at least 35% if not closer to half of what Windows sales are...

maybe some developers might chime in...

dw

[Dean Aka Nekro]

Well Cycling '74 have just released r2 of Max 6 which i presume is something that is a big factor in and alongside Live's. So when Max 6 is properly ready then Ableton can work on thier end of it being another reason as said *i presume* 8 is fine as is though as was 7 and 6. Like others have mentioned - Why the heck would anyone want a full new revision number to shell out for on the upgrade when nothing new is actually in there except maybe more included/extra content for example? I know i do not and will only spend when there is good reason to do so. Shiny new version number i could not care less about aslong as its running well and does what it says it can. To that end Live 8 (and below) meet that...So i am happy

*don't know really anything about the development side and all that jazz. Its well over my head, Im just a consumer/customer content*

All the best to all

Dean

PS: What is bad is AVID's PT10, As a long time user of PT version 10 sickens me and is something i shall not be having anything to do with unless it is absolutely neccessary. "Production Tools" at that price is amusing in the worst way possible, The meer thought of it seems like pulling teeth for pleasure/rant over

[hibidy]

That kinda reminds me though, what started to push me away from live wasn't what it wouldn't do, it's all of the things that it tried to be.

In the end, bugs, fiddly use of features, and that it would break up at about 50-60% cpu (which was critical back then) drove me away.

I still miss it though. There is NOTHING like it. yet

[Dean Aka Nekro]

That kinda reminds me though, what started to push me away from live wasn't what it wouldn't do, it's all of the things that it tried to be.

In the end, bugs, fiddly use of features, and that it would break up at about 50-60% cpu (which was critical back then) drove me away.

I still miss it though. There is NOTHING like it. yet

Well we got more pressing matters to fret about like what pickup works best in what position, Which speakers to mis-match in a cab and which mic's or IRs work best. Then bass guitars...Other bits are not as important/nit picking i would love that to be the truth my friend

[hibidy]

so true........so true.