Reaper vs Studio One

[LawrenceF]

Drag and drop in reaper is superb. And has been for a very long time. But hey, whatever.

So let me get this right... and I own and like them both really ... just so I understand your reasoning completely.

Even though S1's drag and drop goes a good bit farther functionally than Reaper's overall, it's "propaganda" for the company to use it as a selling point but yet and still Reaper's drag and drop (which is actually quite good and has some really clever bits but doesn't go quite as far as S1's overall) is "superb".

Yeah... that makes sense. Thanks.

Oh... KVR... you're ... special.

[aMUSEd]

Reaper's drag and drop (which is actually quite good and has some really clever bits but doesn't go quite as far as S1's overall) is "superb".

Well it also goes further in some respects - such as being able to drag the i/o from one track to another to create inter-track routing (something S1 is still weak at). They both have their pros and cons.

[trimph1]

Drag and drop in reaper is superb. And has been for a very long time. But hey, whatever.

So let me get this right... and I own and like them both really ... just so I understand your reasoning completely.

Even though S1's drag and drop goes a good bit farther functionally than Reaper's overall, it's "propaganda" for the company to use it as a selling point but yet and still Reaper's drag and drop (which is actually quite good and has some really clever bits but doesn't go quite as far as S1's overall) is "superb".

Yeah... that makes sense. Thanks.

Oh... KVR... you're ... special.

I like how both can do drag and drop well enough , for me.

[LawrenceF]

Well it also goes further in some respects - such as being able to drag the i/o from one track to another to create inter-track routing (something S1 is still weak at). They both have their pros and cons.

Do people really not actually read these discussions?

You can cherry pick singular pros and cons either way all day but it doesn't change the reality that the drag and drop in S1 is "overall", in it's totality, much better implemented across the board. If you make lists of what's possible and what's not with it, it's not even really close.

If you make a similar list about Reaper's editing macros or some other things it does much better than S1, it swings all the way over the other way... but we were only talking about D&D.

Why is it so hard (that pretty clear factual reality) to acknowledge in proper context to only that one thing? It doesn't mean Reaper sucks.

I think I used the word "overall" at least 3 times. I like them both so my comments in that regard were only in response to the "propaganda" comment, nothing else. I never knocked Reaper's drag and drop or anything like that.

Gosh... I really gotta stop trying to make sense on the Internet. It's like playing Tupac CD's at a Klan rally... pointless.

BTW... Logic's quick swipe comping is the best. Argument against obvious fact ... start ... now.

[aMUSEd]

Now you're being rather defensive - I did not make the point to negate your own but just to add a further nuance - S1 may (perhaps) have more comprehensive drag and drop (I haven't really bothered to count the differences and don't really care) but Reaper does have some really lovely innovations like the i/o drag and drop that deserve mention and at the same time that point to some of other differences between the two hosts.

[LawrenceF]

Now you're being rather defensive - I did not make the point to negate your own but just to add a further nuance - S1 may (perhaps) have more comprehensive drag and drop (I haven't really bothered to count the differences and don't really care) but Reaper does have some really lovely innovations like the i/o drag and drop that deserve mention and at the same time that point to some of other differences between the two hosts.

Not being defensive. If you read back a little you'll see me saying... paraphrasing myself to not have to go back and read it again ... ...

"Reaper's drag and drop is pretty good actually... with some really clever bits.... yada, yada."

Note to self: Stay outta these vs. threads.

[Marcus797]

S1 may (perhaps) have more comprehensive drag and drop (I haven't really bothered to count the differences and don't really care)

Thats too bad... detailed feature to feature comparisons are interesting and useful especially for someone trying to choose between the two.

[aMUSEd]

S1 may (perhaps) have more comprehensive drag and drop (I haven't really bothered to count the differences and don't really care)

Thats too bad... detailed feature to feature comparisons are interesting and useful especially for someone trying to choose between the two.

Well I have both and as far as I can see for what I use drag and drop for - mainly loading plugins and occasionally samples and midi - they both seem to do the job for me (certainly better than say Sonar X1 does). So if S1 can do other things using drag and drop I'm not likely to know about them if I don't come across them in my day-to-day workflow. The only big difference - and one that I do use frequently - was as stated the i/o thing that Reaper can do.

[Dean Aka Nekro]

S1 may (perhaps) have more comprehensive drag and drop (I haven't really bothered to count the differences and don't really care)

Thats too bad... detailed feature to feature comparisons are interesting and useful especially for someone trying to choose between the two.

That is the whole point of taking each for a demonstration run is it not?

There you can get as detailed as you want no?

Would you seriously drop quite abit of money on a piece of software based on what a few people in a forum say?

Even a magazine review?

Perish the thought in my very humble opinion...To each thier own method(s)

A polls a coming

[jensa]

...but we were only talking about D&D.

What do Dungeons & Dragons have to do with S1 and Reaper?

Gosh... I really gotta stop trying to make sense on the Internet. It's like playing Tupac CD's at a Klan rally... pointless.

You have to try some empirical learning, Lawrence.

[Marcus797]

That is the whole point of taking each for a demonstration run is it not?

There you can get as detailed as you want no?

Or better yet, you could go through and read both manuals from beginning to end. But I think a simple feature to feature comparison on an internet forum is a little more convenient for most people...

Would you seriously drop quite abit of money on a piece of software based on what a few people in a forum say?

If "a few people in a forum" are using vague generalizations when comparing DAWs then no. But I think a detailed feature to feature comparison presented by some knowledgeable forum members probably would factor into my decision.

[hibidy]

Lawrence, don't take the blue pill........don't do it!

[glasgene]

ahhh the ol KVR pissing contests.

a question if you will.. does S1 allow for thirdparty sidechaining yet? I have only seen this in PT but I haven't dug too deep in other DAWs

[LawrenceF]

ahhh the ol KVR pissing contests.

a question if you will.. does S1 allow for thirdparty sidechaining yet? I have only seen this in PT but I haven't dug too deep in other DAWs

With VST 3 plugs, sure. With VST2.x plugs, no clue, never tried it. I recall Cubase used quad busses for that and S1 has none of those. So, maybe not, no clue.

As to the "pissing contest" thing... well... ... I'm distancing myself from involvement in that. I was only trying to point out the difference in D&D and there are some major differences. Most of the stuff I was referring to I've already made actual Reaper FR's for at some time in the past anyway.

A "VS" thread isn't really the best place to discuss that kind of thing in any case (he says with much too late hindsight).

[Dean Aka Nekro]

That is the whole point of taking each for a demonstration run is it not?

There you can get as detailed as you want no?

Or better yet, you could go through and read both manuals from beginning to end. But I think a simple feature to feature comparison on an internet forum is a little more convenient for most people...

As much as i honestly do indeed enjoy a good manual, Will always suggest that they be read by user's and all, Reading both manuals will not be remotely the same as having a demonstration of each of the applications to well 'suplement' the manual for each. Convenience is one thing, Talking shit is something else

Seems according to you that I simply must not be "most people..."
Oh well must work harder on my sheep attire as the wolf is still obvious

Shepherd's Commandment

Would you seriously drop quite abit of money on a piece of software based on what a few people in a forum say?

If "a few people in a forum" are using vague generalizations when comparing DAWs then no. But I think a detailed feature to feature comparison presented by some knowledgeable forum members probably would factor into my decision.

Oh, Goody gumdrops