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softska · Post by **softska** » Sat Jan 14, 2012 10:30 pm

People are so hostile of another DAW looking like their favorite

If something works well, why keep reinventing it? Not that I personally think Live's interface work all that well, especially that sidebar. At the very least please give me a bigger hit zone with my mouse for clips.

dalor · Post by **dalor** » Sat Jan 14, 2012 10:30 pm

synthgeek wrote:
osiris wrote:And I remember when Studio One was Kristal Audio Engine and it was free.....
It still is.

what the...???

christianmusicmaker · Sat Jan 14, 2012 10:44 pm

Litigation could get messy pretty quickly.

Where does it stop? The split view Clip / session View and Arrange view to the right is straight out of Project 5. But that app takes some things from Live. The Browser looks pretty similar to Studio One's and Sonars...so who can sue who?

How far back do you go? Midi Tracks, Audio tracks, virtual Transport, Clip this clip that, envelopes...plugin types like EQ's and compressors...on an on...the list is almost endless feature wise between pretty much any host. Where would it end?

Any solicitor could pick out all sorts of similaritires and likely make a pretty good case for the Dev they represent. But then so could at least 3 or 4 other devs IMO with thier solicitors. It's a deep fog of issues that might be best left uncharted for now at least.

I think there will be no winners from any litigation. It would damage consumer confidence pretty badly. Few would buy a product that might be knee deep in litigation and might need to be pulled from market as a result of on going litigation.

I would say on the other side of the coin litigation might draw clearer lines as to what belongs to a DAW dev or not but it's such a messy cross woven spider web of features copied, revised, renamed, improved upon e.t.c that is would be close to insane to sort out.

Yes there has been plenty of real innovation amongst dev hosts IMO but...I think the amount of feature crossover and various similarities (some much more than others) is now part of the fabric of Music software development for better or worse.

Perhaps its a case of how long a dev's idea remains unique to them instead of another dev considering litigation. Not saying anyone is but maybe an attempt to remain as exclusive as possible with a feature or set of features should be the goal instead of any litigation.

I guess dev's know when they feel the line is crossed. Maybe Ableton think BW have crossed it. If they feel sales will be lost to a product too similar to theirs...then Litigation will likely draw in more Devs than Ableton and BW to darken the doors of many a solicitors office.

Muzik 4 Machines · Post by **Muzik 4 Machines** » Sat Jan 14, 2012 10:51 pm

it was tongue in cheek, but it's really a dark copy of ableton live, the clip view, the racks, even the piano roll looks identical

not a bad thing should i add, i might switch if it goes further than ableton for external MIDI gear like sysex support, working program changes, etc

hope its skinnable cause their screenshots are freaking damn ugly

Ja.x · Post by **Ja.x** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:40 am

Come on, guys, get real: Live/Bitwig/Usine look so alike as any spreadsheet looks like another one. Or any multitrack looks like another. Or any video editing software, or...

Guess why

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lotus2035 · Post by **lotus2035** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 2:35 am

careyletendre · Post by **careyletendre** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 5:56 am

So far the similarities to Live are a little to close for comfort. They even had the gall to name them 'scenes'.

I remember when Adobe sued Macromedia over UI similarities and won.

Carey

sovietpop · Post by **sovietpop** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 6:15 am

This is great news !

Finally some real competition !

I've tried live 8 demo in the past but crashed 3 times in a 4 hours session.
No third party plugins installed on a fresh osx installation on a macbook pro 2010.
Not good at all.

I was using live when it was version 5 and it was great but i think it is overpriced and it is expensive to update so i use Logic Audio now.

Cant wait to try this new DAW

Very funny btw:

stanlea · Post by **stanlea** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 6:22 am

Hey ! Look here ! War of clones !

stillshaded · Post by **stillshaded** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 7:14 am

Told myself I wouldn't get involved in all this, but it seems I've been drinking a but this evening..

IMHO:

Who gives a damn if they're copying features? We live in the age of post modernism in case you didn't know. There's no such thing as original any more (i jest a bit).

Like music itself, it's no longer about whether the elements comprising your creation are totally unique, it's about the elements you chose, and how you put them together. So if they beat ableton at their own game, then congratulations. I'm a bit skeptical that this could be possible on a version 1 release, but who knows!!

dalor · Post by **dalor** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 9:25 am

claes@vemberaudio wrote:
lalo wrote:Wow! Great Stuff!
being a Shortcircuit and Surge user now i really know why Claes was less active on those monsters recently!

congrats to Claes and the other people behind BitWig!

a.
hi lalo, thanks for for understanding.. actually there's some features developed for bitwig coming into surge soon!

cheers,
claes & the bitwigs

That is some serious, awesome news Claes!

I think Surge's GUI is one of most flexible, easiest and powerful out there, still up to today's latest VSTi's standards. With that in mind, I can only imagine what you clever folks came up with in a sequencer. Looking forward to it. Cheers!

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NeP94 · Post by **NeP94** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 9:43 am

It seems strange to me that ableton leave the bitwig thread on their forums.
What if bitwig was not ableton 9 but an official fork ? As chromium/chrome browsers.
Bitwig would be the place to test new features, for customers who likes new features.
And live9 would be the stable software with the bitwig functionnalities, which would come later when they seem stable enough...
Also, the official "skin" would not be the same, and exclusivities would be live only.
That's just an assumption

dalor · Post by **dalor** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 9:55 am

aMUSEd wrote:Only automation straight lines? Would be an improvement on Live if they offered some spline based curves. Can it record automation fully? (unlike Live only in Arrange view)

FWIW, I think the audio world develops much slower than (for example) the 3D world. You would think various spline types in sequencers are standard these days. Other useful line types could be: bezier/sine/square/noise etc. with different parameters for each type, like fadein/amplitude/speed/fade out, etc and even then these parameters could be automated with one of these spline types itself

change playback of a clip from linear, to reverse, noise or any of these spline types.. Just my 2C

risome · Post by **risome** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 10:10 am

NeP94 wrote:It seems strange to me that ableton leave the bitwig thread on their forums.
What if bitwig was not ableton 9 but an official fork ? As chromium/chrome browsers.
Bitwig would be the place to test new features, for customers who likes new features.
And live9 would be the stable software with the bitwig functionnalities, which would come later when they seem stable enough...
Also, the official "skin" would not be the same, and exclusivities would be live only.
That's just an assumption

And a big wig (one) at that

Bitwig Studio announced