KVR Audio

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 7:45 am

Could you whining babies *at least* trim your quotes?
How should *anyone* even think of reading your posts if you're not even mature enough to perform such a trivial task?

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BMoore · Post by **BMoore** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 3:00 pm

The irony.

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 3:05 pm

Insaniac wrote:The irony.

Well, I do at least know how to deal with several forum functions. Quite a benefit.

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polaris20 · Post by **polaris20** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 3:16 pm

UltraJv wrote:
IncarnateX wrote:
UltraJv wrote:My point being, if you want a device to do a job - buy one for that job.
How is that advice different from telling someone who want to make tablet (not pc) music with low latency to buy an iDevice and not an Android? Unless you are an apple-hater it seems to be a fair advice for at least two good reasons: They have low latency and there are 100 hundreds of apps more to choose from. In time, Android devices will highly likely be solved, but it isn' t at status quo. However, for programming music and not playing it, you have apps like Caustic, Nanoloop, Jasuto Pro and hopefully Image Line will release FL Mobile for Android in a near future. Do not know how Android handles files betweens apps but I hope they will develope for you apps that can transfer files between them for coorporation like pasteboard transfer does on the iPad.
I wouldnt advise buying an idevice specifically for music, although they do have some nice apps currently. Its a closed architecture as IOS dosnt support plugins on any app. Unless Apple change this (very unlikley) then Desktop/Laptop is the clear choice. Android has latency yes but does support plugins. Pros and cons on both sides. Tablets are not a replacement for all.

Why does it have to be a replacement to be useful? It's not a replacement, it's a supplement, just like a Line 6 POD isn't necessarily a replacement for real amps, a sampler isn't a replacement for the real instruments it samples, a field recorder isn't a replacement for a laptop/desktop, etc.

They're just different tools suiting different purposes.

Benutzername · Post by **Benutzername** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 3:28 pm

Please!

This is a thread about the latency issues on Android devices and nothing else. There are enough threads in this sub forum where you can discuss the pros and cons of tablet devices in general.

polaris20 · Post by **polaris20** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 3:34 pm

Benutzername wrote:Please!

This is a thread about the latency issues on Android devices and nothing else. There are enough threads in this sub forum where you can discuss the pros and cons of tablet devices in general.

That question was answered pages ago. Until Google changes their kernel, audio will never work as well on Android as it does on iOS. It's not a hardware limitation.

distant_signal · Post by **distant_signal** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 4:02 pm

Who cares anymore. Microsoft have finally provided the answer- windows 8 tablets with full x86 sofware support coming this year and the same technology will be in smartphones by 2014.

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 4:08 pm

distant_signal wrote:Who cares anymore. Microsoft have finally provided the answer- windows 8 tablets with full x86 sofware support coming this year and the same technology will be in smartphones by 2014.

It'll still be a matter of hardware supporting it as well. So far no Android phone does support any serious hardware.

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egbert · Post by **egbert** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 4:14 pm

distant_signal wrote:Who cares anymore. Microsoft have finally provided the answer- windows 8 tablets with full x86 sofware support coming this year and the same technology will be in smartphones by 2014.

LG showed an android smartphone based on new gen Medfield x86 Atom CPU with hyperthreading and 1.6 GHz core at CES. Plans for full Win 8 on this sort of platform or ARM for smarthphones by 2014? I guess that is possible although I thought this would really be for pads rather than phones. Are the Windows Phone 7/Windows streams merging? Got any links on this?

IncarnateX · Post by **IncarnateX** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 4:41 pm

UltraJv wrote:Touch is irrelevant.

What is the matter with you? Touch is hardly irrelevant to people posting on a tablet forum, just like plug-ins hardly is irrelevant to people posting at KVR in general. Apparently you can not tell an argument from preferences. That you prefer your netbook only tells something about you and not whether netbooks is better in general to all people at all times despite all thinkable differences. My answer to Sacha is not about my personal preferences, but whether you quite objectively seen can have a controller and an iDevice that still are as mobile as for instance a laptop or an iPad. The answer is that it is possible since a SynthStation25 and an iPod/Phone doesn't take up much more space than you can have in a suitcase.

Benutzername · Post by **Benutzername** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 4:51 pm

polaris20 wrote:
Benutzername wrote:Please!

This is a thread about the latency issues on Android devices and nothing else. There are enough threads in this sub forum where you can discuss the pros and cons of tablet devices in general.
That question was answered pages ago. Until Google changes their kernel, audio will never work as well on Android as it does on iOS. It's not a hardware limitation.

And this is a valid reason to derail this thread? People get notifications about new posts in this thread and they are hoping to see news about this issue. But all they get is a bunch of idiots performing a dick waving contest.

IncarnateX · Post by **IncarnateX** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:22 pm

Benutzername wrote:
And this is a valid reason to derail this thread? People get notifications about new posts in this thread and they are hoping to see news about this issue. But all they get is a bunch of idiots performing a dick waving contest.

True. But I do not think it is irrelevant to people asking for android apps to consider an iOS device if they want to make touch screen music with low latency, at least for now, as there are problems with latency and a much lesser amount of apps. This is not a question of hitting people with your preference-dick but simply an advice based on facts. The amount of latency or apps do not increase or decrease according to your personal preferences. Neither does the physical size of a SynthStation25 and an iDevice change according to personal preferences. Take it or leave it according to your own tablet needs, it is well meant. As stated earlier, Android will probably solve the latency issue in time, and if you are happy with programming music, Android already have apps like Caustic, Nanoloop and Jasuto Pro. Hopefully FL Mobile will follow soon.

If anyone doubt my agenda, I want music production on as many devices as possible, including netbooks and Androids and wouldn' t give a living f**k about preferences. That some continually try to change this premise into a PC versus iDevice debate is on thier own account and I only answer to make my statements clear to anyone misreading them like that.

buscemi · Post by **buscemi** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:34 pm

distant_signal wrote:Who cares anymore. Microsoft have finally provided the answer- windows 8 tablets with full x86 sofware support coming this year and the same technology will be in smartphones by 2014.

As the saying goes "the proof is in the pudding" and you can see by the high hopes of Android dashed in this very thread and for a very long time, the Android audio pudding may appear to be chocolate pudding but is actually closer in resemblance to something else that is is brown.

polaris20 · Post by **polaris20** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 7:38 pm

Benutzername wrote:
polaris20 wrote:
Benutzername wrote:Please!

This is a thread about the latency issues on Android devices and nothing else. There are enough threads in this sub forum where you can discuss the pros and cons of tablet devices in general.
That question was answered pages ago. Until Google changes their kernel, audio will never work as well on Android as it does on iOS. It's not a hardware limitation.
And this is a valid reason to derail this thread? People get notifications about new posts in this thread and they are hoping to see news about this issue. But all they get is a bunch of idiots performing a dick waving contest.

It's an Internet forum. Discussions bob and weave all over the place, and the discussion at hand is still somewhat relevant. We're not talking about Ducatis or how to make a pan pizza here.

If you don't like it, I suggest you either delete your notification email and ignore it, or unsubscribe to the thread.

Benutzername · Post by **Benutzername** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 9:06 am

polaris20 wrote:We're not talking about Ducatis or how to make a pan pizza here.

And you are only talking about how long your little polaris is. So, where is the difference? Even the reason for your off topic has been answared 9 pages ago. This is going nowhere here.

Low latency audio in Android 4 (Ice Cream Sandwich)