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hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 1:52 am

took me a minute, haha!

Gonga · Post by **Gonga** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:25 am

standalone wrote:We're not making product announcements at NAMM anymore, since they generally tend to be made way too early.

Instead we will be going the Apple route and making a big splash on our own when we have a new product. That way, when we announce it, you'll be able to get it (what a concept!).

What I will reveal is that we have a lot of very cool things in the works. Good times ahead!

spectrum

http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/sho ... post677256

Thanks for the info. Now we can get on with our lives

aaastronomer · Post by **aaastronomer** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 6:36 am

kevvvvv wrote:We've watched NI offer a total hardware software solution with Maschine / Komplete

So I can't believe a company of Spectrasonic's stature isn't contemplating the same.

We've already seen Eric Persing design the OMG-1 ... a hardware software combo ... as well as Omni TR on iPad.

So what's in store from Spectrasonics?

Especially for Stylus - which is now growing long in the tooth.

Eric ... even a mild hint would be welcome

what's the rush? what they have out is fine as is. i haven't begin to plumb the depths of any of their products. (i still have trilian to buy!) in addition, our space is now full of fine products. we don't need more of the same. if spec comes up with something, i hope it will be something completely out of the blue that blows our socks off. that's gonna be real hard. i'm thinking of a daw that goes beyond everything out there! a daw that has all of their products seamlessly integrated and optimized. a daw that 'knows' something about current musical styles and can generate synth programs and midi streams that make maximal use of those programs. (of course, this isn't really something unanticipated...)

then again, maybe a great set of orchestral and choral samples with a great interface will suffice. or even just a nice h/w controller for their synths.

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 6:48 am

But I think it's fair to say that stylus is a bit long in the tooth. It's evolved very little (the "time" selection being the biggest part) in the now what.....5 years I've had it? It's natural for people to want change.

Then again, you are correct that it is still a great tool. It's still ahead of many "groove" products, but I now feel a bit clunky using it. Seems to me the integration with a host could be easier (example: having the different elements "gel" but ONE drag/drop to host instead of 8 separate midi tracks)

zircon · Post by **zircon** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:23 am

I still think it beats the pants off pretty much any other groove plugin out there. What more could they really add in a version 2...?

To be honest, if they did nothing but just add another 10gb of Spectrasonics-level sounds I would be extremely happy.

gremlinmoon · Post by **gremlinmoon** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:45 pm

I have observed over the past year or so that whether someone asks about Omni or Stylus they(GlennO or Spectrum) always respond with, "Don't worry we are working on something very cool!

"

The trick is to think what would be "very cool." They do not do "me too" products so adding MPC-esque functionality to RMX or a song pattern mode would not be the primary feature -- perhaps a feature -- but the main event will have 2 qualities to it:
1)Spectrasonics products are very forgiving to non-programmers -- you could create a professional, completely unique and highly polished song/track/sound effect right out of the box with only very minimal mixing and matching.

2)Without breaking the first rule the second rule is to make a feature that blows the mind of a programmer or sound designer and that integrates quickly and painlessly into a workflow.

My guess for RMX 2 is complete integration with Omnisphere/Trillian -- meaning you can use any sound created in Omnishere (synth or sample) in an RMX groove using an eveolved version of edit groups that allows sound swaping. Additionally RMX 2 will add 25GB of samples plus 5000 new grooves. The RMX2 1.3 update will include musical phrase generators like the Motiff turning it into a true "groove" machine.

"Search your feelings Luke, you know it to be true"

Okay, I've reached my daily quota of speculation.

Gonga · Post by **Gonga** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 3:33 am

aaastronomer wrote:what's the rush? what they have out is fine as is.

then again, maybe a great set of orchestral and choral samples with a great interface will suffice. or even just a nice h/w controller for their synths.

Gonga · Post by **Gonga** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 3:39 am

gremlinmoon wrote:My guess for RMX 2 is complete integration with Omnisphere/Trillian -- meaning you can use any sound created in Omnishere (synth or sample) in an RMX groove using an eveolved version of edit groups that allows sound swaping.

This is what I've been saying also, but really, is it possible to do this? The Ninevoltaudio Melodic Rex and Textural Rex do the best job of integrating melodic and harmonic content, but it's tough to do and how would they slice up all those super-long samples with all those round-robins and stuff? I think it IS possible and I agree that integrating the three is the shitz - it will cause everyone to want to get all their stuff too - especially that new product called "Pianosphere"

gremlinmoon wrote:Additionally RMX 2 will add 25GB of samples plus 5000 new grooves. The RMX2 1.3 update will include musical phrase generators like the Motiff turning it into a true "groove" machine.

"Search your feelings Luke, you know it to be true"

Good post from somebody who seems to know Spectrasonics pretty well!

DHR53 · Post by **DHR53** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 5:19 am

It's currently a $399. bunch of loops I don't use.

So please hurry!

Gonga · Post by **Gonga** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 2:10 pm

You can assemble your own kits and make your own beats real easily. Don't think of RMX as static loops! Just a handful of REX kits in RMX gives you enough power to do an awful lot of different beats and sounds...you just need to dive into the interface and get creative!

DHR53 · Post by **DHR53** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 11:01 pm

Er, I only use kit mode myself... but that's a small portion of the $399. package. NineVolt Audio has the right idea, with their beat suites, too bad Spectrasonics didn't do the same thing. Dropping the various drums in and out of a single loop is not the way I prefer to create beats.

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 11:07 pm

Yeah, I don't know about the really easy part. Really flexible, yes, but I think it's a pain in the ass personally. I can do it, I have a template somewhere that allows me to do that, but it's not as elegant as it could be imho.

Gonga · Post by **Gonga** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 7:04 am

If you're really into traditional structure the Nine Volt Audio stuff is formulaic and stuff. That's why I don't use that stuff - I improvise the structure and hate traditional formulaic structure...I come from an improvisational playing background. I just find something interesting (lately I like the Terry Bozzio stuff), then mess around with the tempo settings and maybe find a few variations I like. I also record a bunch of chaos and sequence that. Then I play in parts. It's really easy to get a whole tune and it sounds like a real drummer, and I don't do any programming - RMX is brilliant for creative people who don't like to stop to do programming but just keep moving along with the creative juices! It fits me perfectly anyway. It's sort of a Joe Zawinul approach.

Try using the groove mode with tempo changes, chaos, etc. as above in one instance, then use slice mode in another instance to play in whatever you want. You can also drop midi files in and work from those if you don't like the existing grooves.

Gonga · Post by **Gonga** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 2:38 pm

hibidy wrote:Yeah, I don't know about the really easy part. Really flexible, yes, but I think it's a pain in the ass personally. I can do it, I have a template somewhere that allows me to do that, but it's not as elegant as it could be imho.

Whatever it is that bothers you, I bet Eric is already addressing it in v 2.0

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 9:37 pm

Gonga wrote:
hibidy wrote:Yeah, I don't know about the really easy part. Really flexible, yes, but I think it's a pain in the ass personally. I can do it, I have a template somewhere that allows me to do that, but it's not as elegant as it could be imho.
Whatever it is that bothers you, I bet Eric is already addressing it in v 2.0

Bothered is not the right word. But yeah, I wouldn't be at all surprised.

When will Spectrasonics announce Stylus RMX 2?