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pc999 · Post by **pc999** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 11:29 am

pdxindy wrote: How about, how about, how about... There are dozens of important features not mentioned at all on the Bitwig page. There is no evidence whatsoever that they have all the good features from other DAWs.

Many things aren't said, but some are so basic that we just presuppose them, others we can infer/suppose from the images/devs/context (like a better workflow than Live, less bloat/faster than Live, devices quality...)

If any company said every (even major) thing their software can then do they would need many more pages in their websites.

Anyway one of the things I am more concerned is external controllers, like Launchpad and SLmk2, that could be worth mentioning, dont you people think

(after that workflow, price, copy protection and native content/devices are my top prioritys)

Neon Breath · Post by **Neon Breath** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:46 pm

NeP94 wrote:It seems strange to me that ableton leave the bitwig thread on their forums.
What if bitwig was not ableton 9 but an official fork ? As chromium/chrome browsers.
Bitwig would be the place to test new features, for customers who likes new features.
And live9 would be the stable software with the bitwig functionnalities, which would come later when they seem stable enough...
Also, the official "skin" would not be the same, and exclusivities would be live only.
That's just an assumption

Intreresting theory yeah.

christianmusicmaker · Post by **christianmusicmaker** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:16 pm

In theory yes...but BW will be selling BWS. It would cause a huge amount of confusion to both sets of users bases if they are both sold but one is a (stealth) fork of the other.

Do you buy BWS for the latest features or get Live that will eventually get them (if they are both from the same dev)? It really does not seem likely at all IMO. Bitwig is a very similar product to Live but...I don't think Ableton have any input into Bitwig in anyway.

Also Bitwig appear to be missing some features from Live 8. Releasing an official fork with less features than the stable version would not be a good business model IMO. Recipe for confusion on a huge scale. A puzzling move.

Surely Bitwig would make it clear and / or Ableton if there was any collaboration between the two regarding BWS. Ableton have made it crystal clear in the past when they have worked on projects or enhancements to Live that were done with a another dev (like Cycling 74).

I think Ableton don't feel threatened by a Bitwig thread discussing a beta hence they are happy to let the thread run. There are also more than a few off topic threads there as well so I guess for them it is not that big a deal IMHO.

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:24 pm

christianmusicmaker wrote: I think Ableton don't feel threatened by a Bitwig thread discussing a beta hence they are happy to let the thread run. There are also more than a few off topic threads there as well so I guess for them it is not that big a deal IMHO.

1) Ableton aren't into heavy censorship on their forum, never have been. They put up with all kinds of sh*t there

2) I doubt they feel threatened. They would probably enjoy having some competition in a weird way anyway - boosts creativity.

3) They probably assume it will have a bunch of really basic key features missing - and it probably will in version 1.0

4) They already know what is coming in Live 9.... and are confident about what's coming

christianmusicmaker · Post by **christianmusicmaker** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:28 pm

Yes..that seems to be the case. They could have locked the thread a long time ago. Or moved it. Neither has happened or looks like it will.

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:32 pm

christianmusicmaker wrote:Yes..that seems to be the case. They could have locked the thread a long time ago. Or moved it. Neither has happened or looks like it will.

I genuinely don't think that they think they have anything to fear from this. Their forum guy has even commented in the thread in a mod capacity. These are some pretty cool dudes

christianmusicmaker · Post by **christianmusicmaker** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:06 pm

Same here. Ableton likely will wait and see. Likely they will add what they can (code permitting) to Live 9 from BW which will nullify some of the uniqueness for me.

But I really like what I see with BWS and it probably has a place in my set up but I want to see what is in Live 9 (if it is out this year) as at best for now BWS would be an additional host for more creative uses here (replacing Project 5) not replacing anything else in my set up currently.

ModuLR · Post by **ModuLR** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:33 pm

I find the device chaining kinda interesting. In the example above... "Effects have nested device chains in locations which are particularly interesting for each device. For example, the delay allows you you insert effects inside it's feedback loop."

It was easy to glance at this and think it worked just like Ableton. However I noticed that area on the delay above width and mix which says "FX FB." Looks like the distortion which follows the delay is applying specifically to the feedback portion of the delay, not the delay's entire output. Guess I should have read it instead of glanced at it, because that is pretty awesome!

Bronto Scorpio · Post by **Bronto Scorpio** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:39 pm

ModuLR wrote:

I find the device chaining kinda interesting. In the example above... "Effects have nested device chains in locations which are particularly interesting for each device. For example, the delay allows you you insert effects inside it's feedback loop."

It was easy to glance at this and think it worked just like Ableton. However I noticed that area on the delay above width and mix which says "FX FB." Looks like the distortion which follows the delay is applying specifically to the feedback portion of the delay, not the delay's entire output. Guess I should have read it instead of glanced at it, because that is pretty awesome!

Wow! That's really awesome

Cheers
Dennis

paradiddle · Post by **paradiddle** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:43 pm

Yep I noticed the feedback fx thing also which is really cool for dub delay fx type. I guess all the onboard instruments and fx are all made with the modular thing cuz in this screenshot, you can see the polysynth in pieces.

http://bitwig.com/img/announcement_page ... system.png

ModuLR wrote:

I find the device chaining kinda interesting. In the example above... "Effects have nested device chains in locations which are particularly interesting for each device. For example, the delay allows you you insert effects inside it's feedback loop."

It was easy to glance at this and think it worked just like Ableton. However I noticed that area on the delay above width and mix which says "FX FB." Looks like the distortion which follows the delay is applying specifically to the feedback portion of the delay, not the delay's entire output. Guess I should have read it instead of glanced at it, because that is pretty awesome!

robogone · Post by **robogone** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:52 pm

I'll definitely keep an eye on this. I guess whether I'll buy it will be down to pricing and hopefully some idea of when the modular approach will be implemented.

pc999 · Post by **pc999** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:53 pm

Bronto Scorpio wrote:
ModuLR wrote:

I find the device chaining kinda interesting. In the example above... "Effects have nested device chains in locations which are particularly interesting for each device. For example, the delay allows you you insert effects inside it's feedback loop."

It was easy to glance at this and think it worked just like Ableton. However I noticed that area on the delay above width and mix which says "FX FB." Looks like the distortion which follows the delay is applying specifically to the feedback portion of the delay, not the delay's entire output. Guess I should have read it instead of glanced at it, because that is pretty awesome!
Wow! That's really awesome

Cheers
Dennis

Indeed

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 8:38 am

pc999 wrote:
pdxindy wrote: How about, how about, how about... There are dozens of important features not mentioned at all on the Bitwig page. There is no evidence whatsoever that they have all the good features from other DAWs.
Many things aren't said, but some are so basic that we just presuppose them, others we can infer/suppose from the images/devs/context (like a better workflow than Live, less bloat/faster than Live, devices quality...)

If any company said every (even major) thing their software can then do they would need many more pages in their websites.

Anyway one of the things I am more concerned is external controllers, like Launchpad and SLmk2, that could be worth mentioning, dont you people think

With a version 1 software, I would not presuppose anything. If they were supporting external controllers it is my guess that they would mention it on the page. You do not need a whole page just to list something like that. I think it more likely that v1 will be lacking various things people take for granted. Of course we can only speculate, but it is not like other new hosts have emerged full featured.

It would be great if Bitwig arrived and was flat out better than anything else. What user wouldn't want that? Seems unlikely though.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 8:48 am

ModuLR wrote:

I find the device chaining kinda interesting. In the example above... "Effects have nested device chains in locations which are particularly interesting for each device. For example, the delay allows you you insert effects inside it's feedback loop."

It was easy to glance at this and think it worked just like Ableton. However I noticed that area on the delay above width and mix which says "FX FB." Looks like the distortion which follows the delay is applying specifically to the feedback portion of the delay, not the delay's entire output. Guess I should have read it instead of glanced at it, because that is pretty awesome!

I wonder if that works for any 3rd party effects? or only included effects?

ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 9:12 am

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Bitwig Studio announced