KVR Audio

Shy · Post by **Shy** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:59 pm

whyterabbyt wrote:
Shy wrote:Little/Slim Phatty has, as Moog put it simply, "Real Analog Control" (RAC), "a proprietary technology enabling the performer to directly interface with the analog circuitry via the knobs on the control panel, without any digital processing."
I understand how that doesn't actually contradict what I said. Do you?

I didn't even try to contradict what you said, I mentioned that to clarify to people that there is no digital processing in the interface the person uses to actually control the synth when performing, which is what actually matters, unlike your unrelated bickering about some digital stuff used to store patch memories.

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:07 pm

Shy wrote:I didn't even try to contradict what you said, I mentioned that to clarify to people that there is no digital processing in the interface the person uses to actually control the synth when performing, which is what actually matters,unlike your unrelated bickering about some digital stuff used to store patch memories.

1) it doesnt actually matter.
2) it is related, since a given CV will either be sourced from a patch memory or a pot, so the two systems are already interconnected.
3) explaining technical issues to someone isnt 'bickering'. unless of course you're trying to argue the existence of 'smart aliasing;
4) i think i was right in suspecting that you dont understand.

Shy · Post by **Shy** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:10 pm

1) it does
2) he wasn't talking about that, and, when answering about the difference between the LP with and without patch memories, you mislead him by just saying "erm, the digital control?"
3) you're still a bickering troll
4) no

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:14 pm

Shy wrote:1) it does

nope, it doesnt.

2) he wasn't talking about that, and, when answering about the difference between the LP with and without patch memories, you mislead him by just saying "erm, the digital control?"

ah, in your world its misleading to tell someone the facts. good one.

3) you're still a bickering troll

says the bickering troll

4) no

yeah, right. convincing.

Dogboy73 · Post by **Dogboy73** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 10:18 pm

Crikey, what's all this about then?!

bpblog · Post by **bpblog** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 1:24 am

standard KVR friday night.

kritikon · Post by **kritikon** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 9:15 am

Hmmm...only just seen this one. Looking good IMO

1. Don't need patch memory. This type of synth really isn't for anyone who isn't prepared to experiment a little. I've had many old mono analogues in the past, and never once missed having a memory on any of them. So sound designers can't sell patch downloads - tough shit, who cares? Not what this type of synth is about.

2.Small keyboard - no problem. Again, anyone who's used the old monos will know that for a mono synth, having a large keyboard is a luxury only. Perfectly useable with 2 octaves. Would be nice to have an option of a desktop without a keyboard, but IMO a keyboard makes you play with it more.

3. Great price.

4. Did some numpty say something about beating the likes of Korg, Roland to it?

Errr no. I think Korg and Roland beat Arturia to it by about 40+ yeears. They've been there done it. Nice if they returned to the analogue market properly, but as long as people like Arturia are doing it, it doesn't matter.

Personally I think for the price and the market, Arturia have got the feature set just about perfectly right. Looks like it can make some grunge, which has been lacking a little from the analogue market IMO.

I've never much liked Arturia'ss s/w emulations, but this is a whole different ball game, and I'l certainly be having a close look. Thumbs up to them.

I think too many young 'uns have got used to demanding every single bell and whistle on every single VSTi, and don't realise how incredibly useful a simple mono can be. When you've got an MS10 or a MC202 screaming out a huge bassline, you really don't need polyphony, or patches or hundreds of esoteric functions or 27 different types of distortion (and mostly distortion is there to cover up weak sounds). If this thing truly feeds back into itself like MS20s etc, it will be very powerful.

I'm so pleased monos are making a comeback. TBH I never really got into analogue polys - s/w is so flexible nowadays, I'm more than happy to get my pads etc from VSTis or some digital h/w synths mostly. But s/w rarely matches the power and fun of some of those old monos. I used to make screaming tracks with just a set of monos, and had fun all the way. Would be nice to have that kind of fun again without needing a mortgage.

kx.001 · Post by **kx.001** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 9:38 am

kritikon wrote:I'm so pleased monos are making a comeback. [...]

The sudden burst of threads about 'em has made me interested in looking into gettting one. And fortunately my financial situation means I'll have plenty of time to research them!

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 9:41 am

kritikon wrote: 1. Don't need patch memory. This type of synth really isn't for anyone who isn't prepared to experiment a little. I've had many old mono analogues in the past, and never once missed having a memory on any of them. So sound designers can't sell patch downloads - tough shit, who cares? Not what this type of synth is about.

I still don't get why experimenting and the use of patch memory exclude each other. While experimenting i most likely store results i got into a memory (e.g. in my Moog Slim Phatty) than using a bunch of patch sheets.

I am NOT saying that the MiniBrute is really bad at all but the lack of memory is a no go for me, at least for a modern synth like this. For a modular system there is no other solution so i understand if there is no storage possible.

Ingo

musikmachine · Post by **musikmachine** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 9:44 am

kx.001 wrote:
kritikon wrote:I'm so pleased monos are making a comeback. [...]
The sudden burst of threads about 'em has made me interested in looking into gettting one. And fortunately my financial situation means I'll have plenty of time to research them!

Yo can get a used mopho desktop pretty cheap.

kx.001 · Post by **kx.001** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 9:53 am

musikmachine wrote:
kx.001 wrote:
kritikon wrote:I'm so pleased monos are making a comeback. [...]
The sudden burst of threads about 'em has made me interested in looking into gettting one. And fortunately my financial situation means I'll have plenty of time to research them!
Yo can get a used mopho desktop pretty cheap.

Ha! The plan is that if I ever sell my Virus Rack then I'll put that money towards it.

Dogboy73 · Post by **Dogboy73** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 9:54 am

Ingonator wrote: I still don't get why experimenting and the use of patch memory exclude each other. While experimenting i most likely store results i got into a memory (e.g. in my Moog Slim Phatty) than using a bunch of patch sheets.

I am NOT saying that the MiniBrute is really bad at all but the lack of memory is a no-go for me, at least for a modern synth like this. For a modular system there is no other solution so i understand if there is no storage possible.

There you have it then. Out of the 3 new analogues we've seen lately it sounds like the Waldorf Pulse 2 is the one for you if patch memory is important. But if you like the sound of the Minibrute then I urge you to go for it even with it's lack of patch memory. If you've not had this before I think you will be surprised at how liberating it is. Not wanting to sound patronising but I really think you will get more out of this you think right now

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 10:00 am

Dogboy73 wrote:
Ingonator wrote: I still don't get why experimenting and the use of patch memory exclude each other. While experimenting i most likely store results i got into a memory (e.g. in my Moog Slim Phatty) than using a bunch of patch sheets.

I am NOT saying that the MiniBrute is really bad at all but the lack of memory is a no-go for me, at least for a modern synth like this. For a modular system there is no other solution so i understand if there is no storage possible.
There you have it then. Out of the 3 new analogues we've seen lately it sounds like the Waldorf Pulse 2 is the one for you if patch memory is important. But if you like the sound of the Minibrute then I urge you to go for it even with it's lack of patch memory. If you've not had this before I think you will be surprised at how liberating it is. Not wanting to sound patronising but I really think you will get more out of this you think right now

I am known as a Waldorf fan so i'll try the Pulse 2 of course. Hopefully i'll be at this years Musikmesse in March so i could check both and others too. If i decide that none of them is my cup of tea i still got my Slim Phatty (which i first checked at last years Musikmesse) and other stuff including softsynths...

BTW before i got the Slim Phatty another option was a second hand Pulse 1 and i am not sure if that would have been a better choice or not. The most interesting new features of the Pulse 2 seem to be the multimode filter (created by Waldorf themselves AFAIK) and the paraphonic mode.

Ingo

Dogboy73 · Post by **Dogboy73** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 10:11 am

Ingonator wrote:I am known as a Waldorf fan so i'll try the Pulse 2 of course. Hopefully i'll be at this years Musikmesse in March so i could check both and others too. If i decide that none of them is my piece of cake i still got my Slim Phatty (which i first checked at last years Musikmesse)....

I'm thinking along the same lines. I already have a Spectral Audio Neptune 2. I love that thing so I'd be looking for something that adds a different dimension. I'm stoked about all 3 of the new analogue synths we've seen recently. But they have to float my boat ...... Further out than the Neptune 2

Still have serious GAS for the SEM Pro as well and there are plenty of other intriquing new analogues out there at the moment. But I'm really loving the feature set of the Minibrute.

himalaya · Post by **himalaya** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 10:57 am

kritikon wrote: So sound designers can't sell patch downloads - tough shit, who cares? Not what this type of synth is about.

Agree 100%. This looks like such an immediate synth to use, just like an SH101.
To complain about no memories at this price point is a bit strange.

Arturia new hardware Analogue Synth MiniBrute for 499 euro