Diva Vs. Real Analog

[djanthonyw]

This. Thread. Is. Amusing.

Aquar, you're funny.

[Kriminal]

Aquar, you're funny.

you're assuming too much

[aquar]

So I think if anyone is twisting and distorting what you said, then its you, now.

No you've taken what I said completely out of context in a lame attempt to somehow backup your flawed and myopic thinking.
But I understand why you came to the conclusion but please in future dont assume anything based on a few words that I've said.

[PAK]

all this crap is just expression of another kind of defence:

But a defence of what?

By taking some known quantities, and constructing them into something which makes sense to the persons own understanding, they may think they can reveal some deeper understanding of anothers motivations. This usually fails to consider that their own constructions may be flawed, and is usually accompanied with a reluctance to accept that sometimes things really are more simple than they seem, that there is no deeper hidden understanding to be found, and what they think offers an explanation of something is nothing more than a mirror back into their own mind. Put another way, just maybe, life needn't be so complicated

This thread is still about small penis syndrome or related neuroses.

Well, now we know, but you forgot the cat pic

[whyterabbyt]

No you've taken what I said completely out of context

In the context of you talking about your favourite VSTis, there's no possibility that you saying you loved the sound of a VST means you ever said you loved the sound of a VST.
Uhuh.

in a lame attempt to somehow backup your flawed and myopic thinking.

Looks slightly more like your assumption that you know what I thinking is what's flawed and myopic. But I guess it helps distract from your hilarous and disingenuous retcon attempt.
And what thinking even requires 'backing up', when providing a quotation that proves you said something you claim never to have said?

But I understand why you came to the conclusion

What conclusion are you assuming? Apart from 'you said this'.

but please in future dont assume anything based on a few words that I've said.

Nah, sorry, Im still going to assuming you're a barefaced liar. As is everyone else.

[trimph1]

You know, I will say this. When you go through the kinds of schooling and the workload that some of these devs have gone through to make stuff like this and then hear people asking for next to Walmart prices for VST's. It really makes me wonder why I go around wondering about some of you curmudgeons...

I think some people need a Waaaammbulance....

[filter303]

Aquar.. you are not only embarrassing yourself, but also the rest of the hardware lovers such as myself. I feel so bad for you. Why all this negative attitude towards softsynths? This makes me wonder that what are you doing in this forum in the first place if you hate them so much?
KVR is a place for people who use plugins to make music. There are plenty of hardware forums with people who have the same mindset as you, why not go there instead of KVR? You are only going to start fights in here with posts like that.

I love tools that inspire me to write new songs. Sometimes it's software, sometimes it's hardware. I can honestly say that I love my alchemy, omnisphere or electraX just as much as I love my JP8. I only wish they keep working as long as my hardware synths.


Here is an important question that I think every hardware users need to ask themselves before bashing softsynths:
Can you make the sounds of Alchemy or Omnisphere with an analog synth?

To be honest I must admit that people who decide to use software only are missing a whole bunch of good stuff. The same things goes for people who stay 100% hardware.

[aquar]

No you've taken what I said completely out of context

In the context of you talking about your favourite VSTis, there's no possibility that you saying you loved the sound of a VST means you ever said you loved the sound of a VST.

Uhuh.

in a lame attempt to somehow backup your flawed and myopic thinking.

#

Looks more like your assumption you know what I thinking is what's flawed and myopic. But I guess that distracts from the disingenuous retcon.

And what thinking even requires 'backing up', when providing a quotation that proves you said something you claim never to have said?

But I understand why you came to the conclusion

What conclusion are you assuming? Apart from 'you said this'.

but please in future dont assume anything based on a few words that I've said.

Nah, sorry, Im still going to assuming you're a barefaced liar. As is everyone else.

Listen up and listen well.
I once owned a Prophet 5 and its one of my all time favourate hardware instruments.
Do you honestly think that if I comment on a software version of a particular hardware counterpart that I am somehow comparing the sound quality?
If so you are far more stupid than I first thought.
I've never loved the sound of the Native Instruments version of the Pro5.
Again I ask you to find where I said so but in the meanwhile keep your assumptions to yourself. Because that's all they are.


Anyway this isn't the aquar thread its about Diva but hey if Diva is boring you so much and I am more entetaining then so be it.

[Urs]

Urs said he'd returned his entire research and development costs within a week or so of releasing it.

No worries

We might have had a break even before the introductory offer went out. Until then we maybe sold 20 Divas a day on average, but ever since we only sell one or two, with the occasional third inbetween. We will have to suspend the living of 3 developers, Howie and our newly added Chacka (support/soldering) from this, and similar figures from Zebra/ACE/Uhbik, salted with a monthly sale of Filterscape/MFM2. And that's before taxes, Adwords/ads and fees (amounting to about 60% of revenues).

I'm happy to have a comfortable buffer on my bank account again, which almost dried out last year. May wife and I are in the age where the average German/Aussie has built a house or bought a flat, has a car each and paid well into a pension fund. We still rent, we still have a single 13 years old car and we still have below minimal pensions. We live well though. Good food, nice holidays, enough movement.

I do admit however that the value created at u-he is a different story, using common methods to estimate the worth of a business (e.g. value = annual revenues * x). If I wanted to sell out, I wouldn't need to work anymore. I just wouldn't know what to do with myself. I rather continue. More fun.

Cheers,

Urs

[trimph1]

I don't get this bickerfesting...

I own a few hardware synths myself..namely Arp2600, Minimoog, Octave Plateau Cat, plus a modular synth I am building...I also use and own several softsynths...they are, to me, different tonal qualities that broaden my pallet of sounds...

There is only difference. No hierarchy here...

[whyterabbyt]

Listen up and listen well.

I once owned a Prophet 5

Strangely, I dont actually believe you.

and its one of my all time favourate hardware instruments.

That's nice.

Do you honestly think that if I comment on a software version of a particular hardware counterpart that I am somehow comparing the sound quality?

Well, that's a bit of a straw man, isnt it. Do you honestly think that when I quote you saying you love the sound of a VST that I'm thinking that you're comparing the sound to the hardware.
Bit of a stretch that.
I think I was actually saying that you were lying when you said you'd never said you loved the sound of a VST. Simple as that.

If so you are far more stupid than I first thought.

At least Im never going to be as stupid as you currently look to everyone.

I've never loved the sound of the Native Instruments version of the Pro5.
Again I ask you to find where I said so but in the meanwhile keep your assumptions to yourself. Because that's all they are.

Again you ask me where you said you loved the sound of the NI version of the Pro5? Ummm, okay.... here it is again.

Z3ta+
Even though it sounds digital to the extreme to my ears.
The Pro5 is a very close second, I think both Vst's compliment each other very well though.

The Z3ta+ imo is a misunderstood Vst due to the strange interface, obviously there's a learning curve involved but it becomes rewarding once you get your head around it.
As for the Pro5, well its very much a what you see is what you get kind of synth but I just love the unique sounds it generates with a little tweaking.

[aquar]

Urs said he'd returned his entire research and development costs within a week or so of releasing it.

No worries

We might have had a break even before the introductory offer went out. Until then we maybe sold 20 Divas a day on average, but ever since we only sell one or two, with the occasional third inbetween. We will have to suspend the living of 3 developers, Howie and our newly added Chacka (support/soldering) from this, and similar figures from Zebra/ACE/Uhbik, salted with a monthly sale of Filterscape/MFM2. And that's before taxes, Adwords/ads and fees (amounting to about 60% of revenues).

I'm happy to have a comfortable buffer on my bank account again, which almost dried out last year. May wife and I are in the age where the average German/Aussie has built a house or bought a flat, has a car each and paid well into a pension fund. We still rent, we still have a single 13 years old car and we still have below minimal pensions. We live well though. Good food, nice holidays, enough movement.

I do admit however that the value created at u-he is a different story, using common methods to estimate the worth of a business (e.g. value = annual revenues * x). If I wanted to sell out, I wouldn't need to work anymore. I just wouldn't know what to do with myself. I rather continue. More fun.

Cheers,

Urs

Yeah its all cool Urs.
Like I said I am a fan of Zebra and perhaps when funds become available I'll prolly blag Diva but Diva really needs a computer hardware upgrade in my case.

And I've reached far beyond the stage where sound quality is that important to me.
As I said before I wish you all the best with Diva even though imo I still think its a little overpriced.

[whyterabbyt]

There is only difference. No hierarchy here...

But... but... how... how will you be able to claim you're more l33t than anyone else?

[Urs]

The biggest variable is between the people who post sound comparisons.

That about sums it up.

We could easily create comparisons where Diva outshines any of her "inspiration". We can not make comparisons that sound exactly the same - simply because they don't. We changed a lot of things on the way, from parameter ranges to noise properties to response curves. Diva sounds different, but to our liking not worse.

For that reason, any comparison we make would most likely be misleading, or could be considered so. Or would be the typical failure seen all too often. Hence we don't do it.

We could however make a video which explicitely demonstrates certain attributes of certain analogue gear that we modeled rather nicely. That's a possibility for sure, and we'll be looking into that once Hans lets go of Howard and once Jayney and I are back from vacation. We have to plan a trade show booth inbetween though.



Cheers,

Urs

[aquar]

Strangely, I dont actually believe you.

I don't really care what you think or believe.
I hope you don't mind me thinking I once owned a Prophet 5 though.
Or does that in some way offend your sonic snobbery?