Diva Vs. Real Analog

[ghettosynth]

I already lost more on the resale of hardware synths over the years than I will EVER spend on software synths period.

That might be, but that doesn't invalidate his point.

It is evidence that the assumption he is making that hardware is a better monetary investment may not be a correct assumption.

No, not at all, he's talking about analogs, you're not. If you were, it would have been very difficult to lose your money unless you actually view them as true investments and compare them to other investments.

I know where you're coming from. I've lost more on the K2000 I bought new than I've spent on softsynths. New digital hardware is a terrible "investment", as, frankly, are musical instruments in general.

I've yet to lose a nickel on analogs, however. If you have, maybe you aren't doing it right.

I agree with Ingo though, this is an absurd conversation. So someone doesn't feel that Diva's worth a couple of hundred bucks, so what?

[Aroused by JarJar]

Anyone categorically bashing softsynths obviously either does not work professionally, or on the odd chance they do has locked themselves into a conceptual tunnel that does not acknowledge the work of a huge number of musicians.

I suspect that what often happens is that bedroom producers entertain the delusion that if their tunes were made with Real Analog(tm) like the Pros(tm),
they'd be stars with ritches and bitches, too.

This is fantasy. Popular music for decades is loaded with presets from D-50s, Tritons, and so on. I knew an engineer who could name the presets as we listened to the radio together, it was very funny. My little son and I play spot-the-samples when we watch cartoons (he noticed "the same sound as..." of his own volition), and I'm sure there are people here at KVR who can do the same for softsynth presets as well as name the sample sets used.

And I know plenty of guys living pretty stylish lives, travelling around the world getting paid to make dorky noises with nothing but Max/MSP, a tiny Behringer mixer and a laptop they bought cheap with a student discount.

Did anyone even notice that a pillar of the serious analog community already posted on this thread in favor of Diva?

No fanboy here, I've never had any interest in either Moog or Roland, and I think Diva shares a very large amount of the general sonic properties of these firms, that is, it sounds great but unless the modelled circuits go into other directions, I probably won't get Diva. That's a matter of taste and not a judgement of quality, the quality of the synthisizer is superb.

[Aroused by JarJar]

Oh, and about prices and cost, what planet are you living on? Most softsynths are priced at the same prices as the various Lego sets I get for my kid. Sorry Urs the holiday season claimed the cash I had set aside for software (Cad Bane's speeder is €3,29 more than ACE).

[pdxindy]

I already lost more on the resale of hardware synths over the years than I will EVER spend on software synths period.

That might be, but that doesn't invalidate his point.

It is evidence that the assumption he is making that hardware is a better monetary investment may not be a correct assumption.

No, not at all, he's talking about analogs, you're not. If you were, it would have been very difficult to lose your money unless you actually view them as true investments and compare them to other investments.

I know where you're coming from. I've lost more on the K2000 I bought new than I've spent on softsynths. New digital hardware is a terrible "investment", as, frankly, are musical instruments in general.

I've yet to lose a nickel on analogs, however. If you have, maybe you aren't doing it right.

I agree with Ingo though, this is an absurd conversation. So someone doesn't feel that Diva's worth a couple of hundred bucks, so what?

I lost a chunk of money when I sold my Oberheim.

And he said softsynths are a ripoff... that is quite different than saying a particular softsynth is not worth the price for him.

[ghettosynth]

Oh, and about prices and cost, what planet are you living on? Most softsynths are priced at the same prices as the various Lego sets I get for my kid.

Dude, so what? I can't believe how many bad comparisons are being used to criticize someone else's comparison.

Microsoft Visual C++ cost me NOTHING and it's far larger, more complex, and took many many more man hours than any soft synth that you can name! Invalid comparisons can be used to make any argument seems sensible.

I think that it's perfectly reasonable for different people to come up with different valuations on the same item based on their own perceptions.

[ghettosynth]

I lost a chunk of money when I sold my Oberheim.

Sorry to hear that. Let me guess, you bought it at their peak and sold it after the housing crisis when synth prices dropped?

And he said softsynths are a ripoff... that is quite different than saying a particular softsynth is not worth the price for him.

Yeah yeah yeah, so what, you want to get a rope or something? People exaggerate to try to make a point, relax. I think that some softsynths are ripoffs too, and I bet you do as well, so the only difference between us is that he's pickier than we are.

You want to buy my AAS ultra analog? I'll sell it too you for half the retail price of $199, $99.50. How does that sound to you? I bet money you think that it's a ripoff, yet, it's HALF the retail price, how could that POSSIBLY be a ripoff? That's a great deal, amiright?

[Aroused by JarJar]

Oh, and about prices and cost, what planet are you living on? Most softsynths are priced at the same prices as the various Lego sets I get for my kid.

Dude, so what? I can't believe how many bad comparisons are being used to criticize someone else's comparison.

Microsoft Visual C++ cost me NOTHING and it's far larger, more complex, and took many many more man hours than any soft synth that you can name! Invalid comparisons can be used to make any argument seems sensible.

I think that it's perfectly reasonable for different people to come up with different valuations on the same item based on their own perceptions.

Yeah, the people who create MV C++ worked for free. No, the cost of development was covered by other Microsoft products. Talk about a bad comparison. A better comparison would be Csound, Pd, Supercollider, free and open source programs. But I would say it is because Csound is my main ax that I appreciate how inexpensive softsynths are. Remember also that "time is money".

[ghettosynth]

Oh, and about prices and cost, what planet are you living on? Most softsynths are priced at the same prices as the various Lego sets I get for my kid.

Dude, so what? I can't believe how many bad comparisons are being used to criticize someone else's comparison.

Microsoft Visual C++ cost me NOTHING and it's far larger, more complex, and took many many more man hours than any soft synth that you can name! Invalid comparisons can be used to make any argument seems sensible.

I think that it's perfectly reasonable for different people to come up with different valuations on the same item based on their own perceptions.

Yeah, the people who create MV C++ worked for free. No, the cost of development was covered by other Microsoft products. Talk about a bad comparison.

Of course it was a bad comparison, that was my point! You can prove anything you want with analogy. Sorry, next time I'll turn obvious up to 11.

[Aroused by JarJar]

Oh, and about prices and cost, what planet are you living on? Most softsynths are priced at the same prices as the various Lego sets I get for my kid.

Dude, so what? I can't believe how many bad comparisons are being used to criticize someone else's comparison.

Microsoft Visual C++ cost me NOTHING and it's far larger, more complex, and took many many more man hours than any soft synth that you can name! Invalid comparisons can be used to make any argument seems sensible.

I think that it's perfectly reasonable for different people to come up with different valuations on the same item based on their own perceptions.

Yeah, the people who create MV C++ worked for free. No, the cost of development was covered by other Microsoft products. Talk about a bad comparison.

Of course it was a bad comparison, that was my point! You can prove anything you want with analogy. Sorry, next time I'll turn obvious up to 11.

"Softsynths are a ripoff" is a comparison?

[whyterabbyt]

You can prove anything you want with analogy.

but not with digitaly.

[Aroused by JarJar]

You can prove anything you want with analogy.

but not with digitaly.

You can prove anything by saying byte me, though.

[ghettosynth]

You can prove anything you want with analogy.

but not with digitaly.

That sucked, but I'll take anything for a shift in this conversation. Keeep shifting!

[Aroused by JarJar]

Oh, I am sorry- the original claim was too the effect that the softsynth era is full of ripoffs.

That opinion can justified with relativism, sure, except for the implication that other eras were/are not full of ripoffs. I doubt all the sofsynths in the world can compete with the questionable profits made by magic audio cables alone.

[Examigan]

Oh, and about prices and cost, what planet are you living on? Most softsynths are priced at the same prices as the various Lego sets I get for my kid.

Microsoft Visual C++ cost me NOTHING and it's far larger, more complex, and took many many more man hours than any soft synth that you can name!

Cost you nothing? Great price, what store was that from?

[Aroused by JarJar]

Oh, and about prices and cost, what planet are you living on? Most softsynths are priced at the same prices as the various Lego sets I get for my kid.

Microsoft Visual C++ cost me NOTHING and it's far larger, more complex, and took many many more man hours than any soft synth that you can name!

Cost you nothing? Great price, what store was that from?

There is a free version AFAIK. But you do bring up a salient point about people's conceptions of software pricing, LOL.